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sickboy Deal or Croydon 05 Sep 15 6.28pm
Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 6.20pm Quote sickboy at 05 Sep 2015 6.17pm Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.41pm Quote Stirlingsays at 05 Sep 2015 5.35pm Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.19pm The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries. We will cope. They cannot. I don't want to 'muck in'. Western Europe isn't a collective, despite how you like to see it. It isn't just Britain saying no to this......And your figures aren't realistic anyway.....An open door will just mean countless more coming every year. Besides....As far as I see, Germany and Sweden have open doors.....Let them live with there open door politics ....As you lefties say, it will even 'benefit' the country....Help the economy massively....They won't want to live without them. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 5.36pm) Fortunately, you and your ilk - the unchristian [sic] - are seemingly in the minority. Religeon is the cause of most if not all of the worlds ills, especially in the region in the region we are focusing on now. You can have basic and kind 'Christian' values without believing in God or religion. Pedantic/semantics but christian has religous connotations. I would argue that if we got rid of those beliefs that are not religous or political we would be better off. As someone once said start the day off with the mindset "try not to be a cvnt" and take it from there. ( would add smiley here but phone not having it)
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The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries.

We will cope. They cannot.

I don't want to 'muck in'.

Western Europe isn't a collective, despite how you like to see it.

It isn't just Britain saying no to this......And your figures aren't realistic anyway.....An open door will just mean countless more coming every year.

Besides....As far as I see, Germany and Sweden have open doors.....Let them live with there open door politics ....As you lefties say, it will even 'benefit' the country....Help the economy massively....They won't want to live without them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 5.36pm)

Fortunately, you and your ilk - the unchristian [sic] - are seemingly in the minority.

Religeon is the cause of most if not all of the worlds ills, especially in the region in the region we are focusing on now.

You can have basic and kind 'Christian' values without believing in God or religion.

Pedantic/semantics but christian has religous connotations. I would argue that if we got rid of those beliefs that are not religous or political we would be better off. As someone once said start the day off with the mindset "try not to be a cvnt" and take it from there. ( would add smiley here but phone not having it)

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 05 Sep 15 6.41pm
Meant beliefs that are religous and political.😠
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Meant beliefs that are religous and political.😠

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Mr Palaceman 05 Sep 15 6.44pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 05 Sep 2015 5.30pm Quote Mr Palaceman at 05 Sep 2015 4.37pm Quote Stirlingsays at 05 Sep 2015 3.55pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Sep 2015 3.50pm Matthew Pinsent nailed it @matthewcpinsent: 80yrs ago Nicholas Winton organised trains to get children safely to the UK. We later knighted him. What the hell have we become? Matthew Pinsent won't have to live with the problem. I bet old Pinsent, who is directly descended from Thomas Howard, 2nd Duke of Norfolk.....who rowed for Eton, has a nice house to live in......I bet he doesn't compete for a job with immigrants. I bet he doesn't have to spend hours waiting for a GP appointment The man enjoyed a life amongst the elites....Never had to muck it out. Yeah, what have we become Matthew......Did you complain about having it better than over ninety percent of the country or did you just take the advantages. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 4.01pm) We are all privileged in this country, even the poorest are a lot better off here than in many other countries. As a teacher, do you have to compete with migrants for your job? (Genuine question, not a dig). Also I can't remember time last time I couldn't get an appointment to see a doctor the same day if I call up in the morning and if I call in the afternoon I can get an appointment for the following morning, despite the current "crisis" in the NHS. The irony for me is that I would not get any appointment if it was not for the work that foreign doctors and nurses do in the NHS. I would love us to train more doctors and nurses so we wouldn't have to rely on migrants coming into the NHS but for whatever reason and there are many that is not the reality. Either we cannot attract to right people to the jobs, we are not able to pay enough or people are just not interested in doing such a hard and demanding job. I wouldn't want to do it. I have followed this and the other "migrant" threads on the site and I think that there are very good points on both sides. We can't have unrestricted migration into the country, It's just not feasible but it's clear that we can do a lot more than we do to help. I must say that my heart was warmed by the scenes in Munich. I am pleased that ordinary people still give a damn. For me the world is in a poor state because people just don't care about other people and not because of those people that do care and spend their time to help. That privilege is meant to come with a 'birthright'. That's the point of having a nationality. You are subject to that country. Foreigners aren't, and in my view, outside of asylum, marriage, students and work permits I don't want anyone here who hasn't an allegiance to this country. I'd probably like to deport people like Seymour too. To answer your question of course I don't have to compete with migrants. That's the point. Unlike Pinsent, I care about the affect on this country's working class....I grew up on a council estate and fought my way up. Immigration in this country has already been hundreds of thousands too many for over a decade. Outside of asylum houses in this country should, by and large, go to the British. I see many of these Syrians as looking to come to the EU for a life upgrade. People like me and most others were shocked by that little boy's death....Even though countless children have died in the med now...Even so, when you learn about the story of the father who was living in Turkey not escaping from Syria....Tell you everything right there. There are an awful high number of single young men......Stay in your country and fight for it.....Like I would. This country is already helping money wise....More than most countries. I agree with helping a reasonable amount, but I'm not going to support this state taking responsibility for foreigners outside of a set number on asylum. As to birthright and nationality, a country should look after it's own but in terms of allegiance. I would argue that those arriving in Germany would certainly have an allegiance and desire to do well and to be seen to do well in their new home. Your point about the father and his family being in Turkey, There are reports that there are up to 2 million refuges in Turkey already in various "camps". They can't cope with that any more than anyone else could. I can't blame him for wanting to leave there and go to family that he has in Canada. There are many young men, whether they are single or just those members of their families that can get away, I don't know but I see as many women and children in the reports and don't just think that it's a question of young single men alone. Personally, I would like to think that I could stay and fight for my home, I'm sure that many are staying and doing just that and dying in the process. I don't think that losing a massive portion of the middle class is good for any country, let alone having to endure nearly 5 years of civil war. We can't do everything for everyone and solve all the worlds ills, we have our own problems but even though it cannot be said that we do nothing, the British people are no strangers to charity, we can do more IMO. Should we as a nation not at least aspire to want for others what we would want for ourselves. That may mean that there has to be a level a sacrifice on our part greater than we are offering at the moment but I accept that not everyone would be so willing to help. Nationality is important for a country's view of itself and a common identity. Common values and goals move a nation forward but I have travelled a lot and have found that people, even of different cultures, religions and races want the same thing, a safe and secure home for their families to grow and prosper. I tend to put nationality second to the human aspect of this crisis. What is clear for me is that there needs to be a proper debate amongst EU leaders as to how we can solve this problem and save life in the first instance. But to be honest, although I am normally an optimistic chap, I don't believe that any of our leaders have the will to make a difference above their own personal or national interest. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Matthew Pinsent nailed it

@matthewcpinsent: 80yrs ago Nicholas Winton organised trains to get children safely to the UK. We later knighted him. What the hell have we become?

Matthew Pinsent won't have to live with the problem.

I bet old Pinsent, who is directly descended from Thomas Howard, 2nd Duke of Norfolk.....who rowed for Eton, has a nice house to live in......I bet he doesn't compete for a job with immigrants. I bet he doesn't have to spend hours waiting for a GP appointment

The man enjoyed a life amongst the elites....Never had to muck it out.

Yeah, what have we become Matthew......Did you complain about having it better than over ninety percent of the country or did you just take the advantages.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 4.01pm)

We are all privileged in this country, even the poorest are a lot better off here than in many other countries.

As a teacher, do you have to compete with migrants for your job? (Genuine question, not a dig).

Also I can't remember time last time I couldn't get an appointment to see a doctor the same day if I call up in the morning and if I call in the afternoon I can get an appointment for the following morning, despite the current "crisis" in the NHS.

The irony for me is that I would not get any appointment if it was not for the work that foreign doctors and nurses do in the NHS. I would love us to train more doctors and nurses so we wouldn't have to rely on migrants coming into the NHS but for whatever reason and there are many that is not the reality.

Either we cannot attract to right people to the jobs, we are not able to pay enough or people are just not interested in doing such a hard and demanding job. I wouldn't want to do it.

I have followed this and the other "migrant" threads on the site and I think that there are very good points on both sides. We can't have unrestricted migration into the country, It's just not feasible but it's clear that we can do a lot more than we do to help.

I must say that my heart was warmed by the scenes in Munich. I am pleased that ordinary people still give a damn. For me the world is in a poor state because people just don't care about other people and not because of those people that do care and spend their time to help.

That privilege is meant to come with a 'birthright'. That's the point of having a nationality. You are subject to that country. Foreigners aren't, and in my view, outside of asylum, marriage, students and work permits I don't want anyone here who hasn't an allegiance to this country.

I'd probably like to deport people like Seymour too.

To answer your question of course I don't have to compete with migrants. That's the point. Unlike Pinsent, I care about the affect on this country's working class....I grew up on a council estate and fought my way up. Immigration in this country has already been hundreds of thousands too many for over a decade. Outside of asylum houses in this country should, by and large, go to the British.

I see many of these Syrians as looking to come to the EU for a life upgrade. People like me and most others were shocked by that little boy's death....Even though countless children have died in the med now...Even so, when you learn about the story of the father who was living in Turkey not escaping from Syria....Tell you everything right there.

There are an awful high number of single young men......Stay in your country and fight for it.....Like I would.

This country is already helping money wise....More than most countries. I agree with helping a reasonable amount, but I'm not going to support this state taking responsibility for foreigners outside of a set number on asylum.

As to birthright and nationality, a country should look after it's own but in terms of allegiance. I would argue that those arriving in Germany would certainly have an allegiance and desire to do well and to be seen to do well in their new home.

Your point about the father and his family being in Turkey, There are reports that there are up to 2 million refuges in Turkey already in various "camps". They can't cope with that any more than anyone else could. I can't blame him for wanting to leave there and go to family that he has in Canada.

There are many young men, whether they are single or just those members of their families that can get away, I don't know but I see as many women and children in the reports and don't just think that it's a question of young single men alone.

Personally, I would like to think that I could stay and fight for my home, I'm sure that many are staying and doing just that and dying in the process. I don't think that losing a massive portion of the middle class is good for any country, let alone having to endure nearly 5 years of civil war.

We can't do everything for everyone and solve all the worlds ills, we have our own problems but even though it cannot be said that we do nothing, the British people are no strangers to charity, we can do more IMO.

Should we as a nation not at least aspire to want for others what we would want for ourselves. That may mean that there has to be a level a sacrifice on our part greater than we are offering at the moment but I accept that not everyone would be so willing to help.

Nationality is important for a country's view of itself and a common identity. Common values and goals move a nation forward but I have travelled a lot and have found that people, even of different cultures, religions and races want the same thing, a safe and secure home for their families to grow and prosper. I tend to put nationality second to the human aspect of this crisis.

What is clear for me is that there needs to be a proper debate amongst EU leaders as to how we can solve this problem and save life in the first instance.

But to be honest, although I am normally an optimistic chap, I don't believe that any of our leaders have the will to make a difference above their own personal or national interest.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 05 Sep 15 6.56pm
Quote sickboy at 05 Sep 2015 6.17pm Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.41pm Quote Stirlingsays at 05 Sep 2015 5.35pm Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.19pm The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries. We will cope. They cannot. I don't want to 'muck in'. Western Europe isn't a collective, despite how you like to see it. It isn't just Britain saying no to this......And your figures aren't realistic anyway.....An open door will just mean countless more coming every year. Besides....As far as I see, Germany and Sweden have open doors.....Let them live with there open door politics ....As you lefties say, it will even 'benefit' the country....Help the economy massively....They won't want to live without them. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 5.36pm) Fortunately, you and your ilk - the unchristian [sic] - are seemingly in the minority. Religeon is the cause of most if not all of the worlds ills, especially in the region in the region we are focusing on now. Religion is built on unquestioning trust. The real Puppet Masters have been p-ssing themselves for centuries. Time to move forward together.
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We will cope. They cannot.

I don't want to 'muck in'.

Western Europe isn't a collective, despite how you like to see it.

It isn't just Britain saying no to this......And your figures aren't realistic anyway.....An open door will just mean countless more coming every year.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 5.36pm)

Fortunately, you and your ilk - the unchristian [sic] - are seemingly in the minority.

Religeon is the cause of most if not all of the worlds ills, especially in the region in the region we are focusing on now.

Religion is built on unquestioning trust.

The real Puppet Masters have been p-ssing themselves for centuries.

Time to move forward together.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 05 Sep 15 7.07pm
Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 6.20pm You can have basic and kind 'Christian' values without believing in God or religion. Unless you solely believe in the old Testament. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 6.20pm

You can have basic and kind 'Christian' values without believing in God or religion.

Unless you solely believe in the old Testament.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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leggedstruggle Croydon 05 Sep 15 7.51pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 05 Sep 2015 6.14pm Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 6.06pm Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.19pm The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries. We will cope. They cannot. The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries. They will cope. We cannot. But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country. Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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We will cope. They cannot.

The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries.

They will cope. We cannot.

But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country.

Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world.

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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leggedstruggle Croydon 05 Sep 15 7.53pm
Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 6.16pm Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 6.06pm Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.19pm The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries. We will cope. They cannot. The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries. They will cope. We cannot. Let's not copy their nasty, inhumane example, shall we? I would hope we are better than that. Are you actually British btw? Why do I have this feeling you were born overseas? Be honest. I won't hold it against you in future debates. Just genuinely curious. Born in Mayday Hospital mate! mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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We will cope. They cannot.

They will cope. We cannot.

Let's not copy their nasty, inhumane example, shall we? I would hope we are better than that.

Are you actually British btw? Why do I have this feeling you were born overseas? Be honest. I won't hold it against you in future debates. Just genuinely curious.

Born in Mayday Hospital mate!

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 05 Sep 15 8.38pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 7.51pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 05 Sep 2015 6.14pm Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 6.06pm Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.19pm The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries. We will cope. They cannot. The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries. They will cope. We cannot. But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country. Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world. In that case replace RICH with GENEROUS "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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We will cope. They cannot.

They will cope. We cannot.

But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country.

Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world.

In that case replace RICH with GENEROUS

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 05 Sep 15 8.55pm
Since when has being ''generous'' been a bad thing? Time to move forward together.
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Since when has being ''generous'' been a bad thing?

Time to move forward together.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 05 Sep 15 9.07pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 05 Sep 2015 6.14pm Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 6.06pm Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.19pm The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries. We will cope. They cannot. The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries. They will cope. We cannot. But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country. This is true. Why do people choose to ignore it.
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We will cope. They cannot.

They will cope. We cannot.

But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country.

This is true. Why do people choose to ignore it.

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corkery Cork City 05 Sep 15 9.39pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 7.51pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 05 Sep 2015 6.14pm Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 6.06pm Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.19pm The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries. We will cope. They cannot. The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries. They will cope. We cannot. But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country. Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world. Why should Qatar take them? They didn't bring 'Freedom' to the Middle East. We'll never die
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We will cope. They cannot.

They will cope. We cannot.

But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country.

Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world.

Why should Qatar take them? They didn't bring 'Freedom' to the Middle East.

We'll never die

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dannyboy1978 05 Sep 15 9.47pm
Quote serial thriller at 05 Sep 2015 4.33pm Quote dannyh at 05 Sep 2015 4.28pm Quote serial thriller at 05 Sep 2015 4.18pm Quote dannyboy1978 at 05 Sep 2015 4.08pm Quote serial thriller at 05 Sep 2015 3.41pm Quote sickboy at 05 Sep 2015 3.29pm Quote dannyboy1978 at 05 Sep 2015 2.41pm Quote sa_eagle at 05 Sep 2015 10.26am He had a name... So did the 2 million in Sudan who have been killed but we don't hear about them! This boy was in Turkey, a safe country so the father has blood on his hands! I have to agree. Cucking made a great point the other day. Once you reach a safe haven as a refugee and decide to move on to somewhere that you favour or may be profitable you become a migrant. That changes your status on the political landscape. Also why risk your families lives to move on from a safe country like Turkey. So do you think it's right for Lebanon - a country of under 5 million, with incredible domestic issues relating to poverty and infrastructure already - to have to take in another 1, maybe 2 million refugees just because of their geographical location? Surely if you have fled a war which began a few years ago and you have a family, your aspirations are going to be a bit higher than living in a tent eating gruel for a decade? What about Tunisia, Turkey, Morocco? Is it because the EU is richer, perhaps? Firstly, Morocco is thousands of miles from either Syria or Libya, thus this whole argument about first port of call becomes null when discussing them. Of course it's about money! People are after security and a place to bring up their kids, they're hardly all going to be steaming down to Sudan are they? Being a refugee essentially means you are citizenless, and being citizenless in a Capitalist society means you have no secure means of gaining money, which gains you food, housing, etc. It is therefore likely that, in seeking social securities, refugees will pursue capital, just as we do to a lesser degree in this country (London doesn't have 20 times the number of people living in it than Sunderland because it has nicer churches and parks). I'm sorry I thought it was about persecuted families fleeing for their lives ? Now it's all about cash at least you now admit that much. Come on Danny, as a father would you be happy letting your kids grow up in a refugee camp all their lives or would you not attempt to find a better life for them? Governments look nationally not individually just like our government does with austerity so refugess should be no different to British citizens.
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He had a name...

So did the 2 million in Sudan who have been killed but we don't hear about them!

This boy was in Turkey, a safe country so the father has blood on his hands!

I have to agree. Cucking made a great point the other day. Once you reach a safe haven as a refugee and decide to move on to somewhere that you favour or may be profitable you become a migrant. That changes your status on the political landscape. Also why risk your families lives to move on from a safe country like Turkey.

So do you think it's right for Lebanon - a country of under 5 million, with incredible domestic issues relating to poverty and infrastructure already - to have to take in another 1, maybe 2 million refugees just because of their geographical location?

Surely if you have fled a war which began a few years ago and you have a family, your aspirations are going to be a bit higher than living in a tent eating gruel for a decade?

What about Tunisia, Turkey, Morocco? Is it because the EU is richer, perhaps?

Firstly, Morocco is thousands of miles from either Syria or Libya, thus this whole argument about first port of call becomes null when discussing them.

Of course it's about money! People are after security and a place to bring up their kids, they're hardly all going to be steaming down to Sudan are they? Being a refugee essentially means you are citizenless, and being citizenless in a Capitalist society means you have no secure means of gaining money, which gains you food, housing, etc. It is therefore likely that, in seeking social securities, refugees will pursue capital, just as we do to a lesser degree in this country (London doesn't have 20 times the number of people living in it than Sunderland because it has nicer churches and parks).

I'm sorry I thought it was about persecuted families fleeing for their lives ?

Now it's all about cash at least you now admit that much.

Come on Danny, as a father would you be happy letting your kids grow up in a refugee camp all their lives or would you not attempt to find a better life for them?

Governments look nationally not individually just like our government does with austerity so refugess should be no different to British citizens.

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