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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Apr 17 9.20am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Listen to and back Islamic reformers in the UK and worldwide.....You know...actually take action. Ban religious schools. Closely monitor mosques and close down problematic ones. Any new immans have to sign up to a Islam that broadly follows a liberal Islam in the vein of Islam reformers. Strip nationality of and deport to a negotiated country those Muslims who are members of anti western groups in the UK. Ignore people like you who think the problem is one percent and only related to Wahhabism. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Apr 2017 9.12am) Do a bit of nodding in their direction like yourself, you mean? Yep, I am sure that will stop the Jihadi Johns of this world. Religious schools? Can't stand them. But you would have to have a law banning all them outright. Jewish, Christian, Muslim, etc. Big call. Hope it happens. Anti-western groups? So you are saying I could be a member of an Anarchist group but Jabril born and bred in Wimbledon can't due to fear of deportation? And that means Putin would have to be frogmarched straight back onto his Aeroflot flight at Heathrow if paying a visit. Maybe 'anti-western extremist religious groups' would be better as that would target the most dangerous. Citizen Stirling. Could be a comedy in that
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Stirlingsays 28 Apr 17 9.22am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Why aren't white people doing enough about homophobic attacks? Do we have a problem of homophobic attacks here? Are we spending lots of money on security related to gay people.....Lots of death threats given to gay people then? 'White people'....which organization do 'white people' exclusively belong to then? Are you trying some facepalm marathon here? Stop stop making yourself look ridiculous....next you're be saying that Israel aren't going to leave Gaza.....oh wait!
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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Apr 17 9.28am | |
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Anyone remember the 70's, 80's and 90's when no-one really mentioned the word 'muslim' because...WE WEREN'T BOTHERED'? I've just found out that there were muslims around then too and living amongst on. Unbelievable. And, Stirling, Wahhabism in the problem. Check out the terrorist attacks on western soil since 2001. See if you can find any that aren't directly linked to it. There must have been at least 20-25 attacks. Shouldn't be too hard given your viewpoint, should it?
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Apr 17 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Do we have a problem of homophobic attacks here? Are we spending lots of money on security related to gay people.....Lots of death threats given to gay people then? 'White people'....which organization do 'white people' exclusively belong to then? Are you trying some facepalm marathon here? Stop stop making yourself look ridiculous....next you're be saying that Israel aren't going to leave Gaza.....oh wait! White people, all muslims. I was drawing a parallel by being deliberately ridiculous.
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Stirlingsays 28 Apr 17 9.33am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Do a bit of nodding in their direction like yourself, you mean? Yep, I am sure that will stop the Jihadi Johns of this world. Religious schools? Can't stand them. But you would have to have a law banning all them outright. Jewish, Christian, Muslim, etc. Big call. Hope it happens. Anti-western groups? So you are saying I could be a member of an Anarchist group but Jabril born and bred in Wimbledon can't due to fear of deportation? And that means Putin would have to be frogmarched straight back onto his Aeroflot flight at Heathrow if paying a visit. Maybe 'anti-western extremist religious groups' would be better as that would target the most dangerous. Citizen Stirling. Could be a comedy in that You can't stop the 'Jihadi Johns' of this world,....Only you come out with statements like that.....But you can significantly hinder the production line of them here in this country with radical action within five to ten years I'd say. I would ban all religious schools but it's only Islamic ones that I'm particularly concerned about. Reformist Islamic schools wouldn't bother me....But I'd still prefer no religious schools. What constitutes 'anti western' I would leave for the security services to worry about. Obviously it's related to religion....I'm not banning the communist party here...they pretty much put themselves out of business on their own. I support action....as far as I can tell you have nothing to offer but 'live with it'. No thanks. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Apr 2017 9.38am)
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Stirlingsays 28 Apr 17 9.37am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Anyone remember the 70's, 80's and 90's when no-one really mentioned the word 'muslim' because...WE WEREN'T BOTHERED'? I've just found out that there were muslims around then too and living amongst on. Unbelievable. And, Stirling, Wahhabism in the problem. Check out the terrorist attacks on western soil since 2001. See if you can find any that aren't directly linked to it. There must have been at least 20-25 attacks. Shouldn't be too hard given your viewpoint, should it? The numbers were far lower.....Notice an Islamic problem in Japan do you? I wonder why...I know you don't. The Islamic population has doubled here in the last ten years. We already have functioning Sharia courts here. Read books by Islamic reformers and learn that Wahhabism is just one of the problems.
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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Apr 17 9.39am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You can't stop the 'Jihadi Johns' of this world,....Only you come out with statements like that.....But you can significantly hinder the production line of them here in this country with radical action within five to ten years I'd say. I would ban all religious schools but it's only Islamic ones that I'm particularly concerned about. Reformist Islamic schools wouldn't bother me....But I'd still prefer no religious schools. What constitutes 'anti western' I would leave for the security services to worry about. Obviously it's related to religion....I'm not banning the communist party here...they pretty much put themselves out of business on their own. I support action....as far as I can tell you have nothing to offer but 'live with it'. No thanks. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Apr 2017 9.38am) Not at all. I have been advocating direct action against the Wahhabi cult/sect for years now but do the politicians and media listen to me? Do they fvck.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Apr 17 9.40am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You can't stop the 'Jihadi Johns' of this world,....Only you come out silly statements like that.....But you can significantly hinder the production line of them here in this country with radical action within five to ten years I'd say. I would ban all religious schools but it's only Islamic ones that I'm particularly concerned about. Reformist Islamic schools wouldn't bother me....But I'd still prefer no religious schools. What constitutes 'anti western' I would leave for the security services to worry about. Obviously it's related to religion....I'm not banning the communist party here...they pretty much put themselves out of business on their own. I support action....as far as I can tell you have nothing to offer but 'live with it'. No thanks. What action? I'm pretty sure that all of us want the cancer that is terrorism removed and I'm in no way being an apologist for terrorists. But I will defend people like the lovely lady who teaches my daughter ICT or the Muslim people who I've had as fantastic T/A's in my classroom against being demonised through what is becomingan ever grwing national vernacular. I think we as a nation have a lot more to worry about that affects our lives more than the actions of a few t***s. Attachment: da8f5db019cba1652352ed9f118bd009.jpg (52.28Kb)
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Stirlingsays 28 Apr 17 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Anyone remember the 70's, 80's and 90's when no-one really mentioned the word 'muslim' because...WE WEREN'T BOTHERED'? I've just found out that there were muslims around then too and living amongst on. Unbelievable. And, Stirling, Wahhabism in the problem. Check out the terrorist attacks on western soil since 2001. See if you can find any that aren't directly linked to it. There must have been at least 20-25 attacks. Shouldn't be too hard given your viewpoint, should it? I'm not just worried about terrorist attacks...they are just the tip of the spear....I don't know how you can read my stuff and not tell that yet. I'm worried about the spread of this highly socially conservative and restrictive religion and the affects it has on secular societies. Iran is a terrible society and is almost completely Shia. Turkey is seventy percent Sunni but not Wahhabi and is quickly turning into a nightmare. And Turkey was held up as the best of a bad bunch for decades....when it's governance was secular.
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matt_himself Matataland 28 Apr 17 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Not at all. I have been advocating direct action against the Wahhabi cult/sect for years now but do the politicians and media listen to me? Do they fvck. I have asked you this question before, Michael, but what 'direct action' do you suggest is taken against Wahhabism? What would happen and what would be the process? What would the end result be? You previous spoke of 'stamping out' Wahhabism. How do you propose doing that? I don't think you can stamp out an idea. The purges against faiths in history have failed spectacularly.
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Stirlingsays 28 Apr 17 9.47am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What action? I'm pretty sure that all of us want the cancer that is terrorism removed and I'm in no way being an apologist for terrorists. But I will defend people like the lovely lady who teaches my daughter ICT or the Muslim people who I've had as fantastic T/A's in my classroom against being demonised through what is becomingan ever grwing national vernacular. I think we as a nation have a lot more to worry about that affects our lives more than the actions of a few t***s. I give up with you Nick I honestly do.
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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Apr 17 9.54am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I have asked you this question before, Michael, but what 'direct action' do you suggest is taken against Wahhabism? What would happen and what would be the process? What would the end result be? You previous spoke of 'stamping out' Wahhabism. How do you propose doing that? I don't think you can stamp out an idea. The purges against faiths in history have failed spectacularly. It is not a faith - it is a cult/extremist ideology founded by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. Cults can be purged. Proscription. But, as you know, unfortunately, a certain powerful country or two that the West fawns over in the Middle East subscribes to it. Hence, why the media and others are loathe to call it out for what it is and stoke the general anti-islam sentiment instead. Muddying the waters. And impressionable people like Stirling and Davenotmonkey fall for it. You don't, it appears.
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