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  Hrolf The Ganger  07 Feb 17 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
No, that would have been Conservative and New Labour educational policy. 60s, 70s and 80s, counter-culture and influence on the arts and UK cultural society was massive, and defined a massive change across generations - And in a large part that can be attributed to the 'post-war generation' and the 60s anti-war movements played a massive role in Europe and the states in carrying that 'war generations' achievements forwards. That's definitely faded out from the 90s, onwards somewhat, but the UKs culture positively thrived as a result of that melting pot that brought all manner of social movements together. I think you can attribute as much significance to these events as you like but I'd say they were more a result of circumstances. All these movements are a reaction to past events and the relaxation of Victorian values coupled with the means to live independent lives. Art and culture have existed forever and reflect the world around us or more personal or abstract thoughts. Nothing new there. I'd say that it achieved almost nothing beyond displaying a general mistrust of authority and a fear of more wars that would be worse than the last. You could argue that Brexit and Trump's election might be far more impacting on reality than any thing that happened in the 60' to 80's but the noisy minority don't approve of those in the same way as they would CND or similar flights of ideological fancy.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 17 4.57pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
How about a culture of intransigence as I noticed you avoided answering my own pertinent question to you from around 8 a.m this morning. Is it because you know I had a point? Edited by Kermit8 (07 Feb 2017 4.54pm) No I just couldn't be bothered.
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Kermit8  Hevon 07 Feb 17 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No I just couldn't be bothered. You just haven't got the balls to admit that my rationale defeats your illogical nonsense re: the travel ban but that's ok
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 17 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What about my idea of proscribing travel wise the members of the extremist killer/terrorist cults and leaving other Muslims alone? A bit more rational than your alternative idea. OK. Well I would be in favour of any system that identified people who posed a risk to the safety of British citizens and neutralised them. I can't be more precise than that. I do genuinely believe that The Saudis are the route of many of the worlds problems though and that the time will come what we have to deal with them
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 17 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You just haven't got the balls to admit that my rationale defeats your illogical nonsense re: the travel ban but that's ok Patience.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 07 Feb 17 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
OK. Well I would be in favour of any system that identified people who posed a risk to the safety of British citizens and neutralised them. I can't be more precise than that. I do genuinely believe that The Saudis are the route of many of the worlds problems though and that the time will come what we have to deal with them Ok - so as the risk is concerned specifically with rogue Sunni Wahhabis and Salafists then the other Muslims who don't belong to those sects and are not into active terror - the more than one billion - it is unarguable then that they should be free to travel and that this Trump ban is ill-thought out, arbitrary, discriminatory and bigoted even, against those that live in the seven countries especially the Shia one like Iran. Which makes your original question null and void and a bit daft like i told you. Totally agree about Saudi though. The media and politicians are not allowing the truth to be the narrative. They are too wary and are failing us with the extremist problem. If everyone were told exactly who was to blame it would stop the pressure on the wider and innocent muslim communities who have no truck with Wahhabism and stop the fear in those like, dare i say it, yourself toward muslims. Edited by Kermit8 (07 Feb 2017 5.22pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 07 Feb 17 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Patience. Indeed. Went out of the trap too quickly
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 17 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Ok - so as the risk is concerned specifically with rogue Sunni Wahhabis and Salafists then the other Muslims who don't belong to those sects and are not into active terror - the more than one billion - it is unarguable then that they should be free to travel and that this Trump ban is ill-thought out, arbitrary, discriminatory and bigoted even, against those that live in the seven countries especially the Shia one like Iran. Which makes your original question null and void and a bit daft like i told you. I believe that Trump's ban is largely political. It is more symbolic than functional. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Feb 2017 5.26pm)
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 07 Feb 17 9.03pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Flood therapy is a treatment of last resort. Most phobias are treated either with medication or cognitive behaviour therapy. Whilst its true that people who are afraid of something, often find that confronting that fear is beneficial, its important to remember that phobias are not rational fears. That is just pussy-footing. As you say, "its important to remember that phobias are not rational fears", so there is no rational way to treat them. Harden up!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Feb 17 5.52am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think you can attribute as much significance to these events as you like but I'd say they were more a result of circumstances. All these movements are a reaction to past events and the relaxation of Victorian values coupled with the means to live independent lives. Art and culture have existed forever and reflect the world around us or more personal or abstract thoughts. Nothing new there. I'd say that it achieved almost nothing beyond displaying a general mistrust of authority and a fear of more wars that would be worse than the last. You could argue that Brexit and Trump's election might be far more impacting on reality than any thing that happened in the 60' to 80's but the noisy minority don't approve of those in the same way as they would CND or similar flights of ideological fancy. I think they will be. Big events even be ones that stimulate social movements and groups with a similar objective create a situation where disparate ideas and culture come together. Trump will paradoxically do more for the US by his impact on bringing different opposing groups and movements together than any policy he makes. Much like the Vietnam war protests did in the sixties. CND itself was irrelivent, what it did wasn't, it created discourse between groups and ideas that were previously dispersed
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Feb 17 7.53am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think they will be. Big events even be ones that stimulate social movements and groups with a similar objective create a situation where disparate ideas and culture come together. Trump will paradoxically do more for the US by his impact on bringing different opposing groups and movements together than any policy he makes. Much like the Vietnam war protests did in the sixties. CND itself was irrelivent, what it did wasn't, it created discourse between groups and ideas that were previously dispersed This hysterical overreaction to Trump and, for that matter to Brexit, does make I larf.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 08 Feb 17 8.24am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
This hysterical overreaction to Trump and, for that matter to Brexit, does make I larf. It's only an overreaction if all of the fears prove to false. I see Trump has nominated an historical racist to be his Attorney General but everyone over there should keep quiet about it and just accept it, it appears to politicos such as yourself.
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