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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 23 2.14pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The playing down and excuse making for the scandal of the authorities doing nothing for so long to stop the organised mass rape of white children by paedophiliac, pakistani-heritage rape gangs is the most disgusting feature of what the left has become. As the ultimate authority for the last 13 years has been the Tories it's interesting to see them described as "the left"!
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georgenorman 05 Apr 23 2.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As the ultimate authority for the last 13 years has been the Tories it's interesting to see them described as "the left"! The councils in the areas where the abuse took place were all Labour controlled and the lack of action was driven by fear of being branded 'racist' by left wing zealots like you who are more concerned with seeing racism everywhere rather than protecting our children from rapists. Edited by georgenorman (05 Apr 2023 2.24pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 23 2.24pm | |
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I can only surmise the answer. I suspect they were pressured to accept the responsibility and act as the scapegoat, rather than have attention shifted onto those in government who were actually the architects.
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georgenorman 05 Apr 23 2.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I can only surmise the answer. I suspect they were pressured to accept the responsibility and act as the scapegoat, rather than have attention shifted onto those in government who were actually the architects. Or of course the answer could be that you were spouting nonsense as usual.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 23 2.33pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The councils in the areas where the abuse took place were all Labour controlled and the lack of action was driven by fear of being branded 'racist' by left wing zealots like you who are more concerned with seeing racism everywhere rather than protecting our children from rapists. Edited by georgenorman (05 Apr 2023 2.24pm) Firstly, I am neither a zealot nor left-wing. Secondly, that local authorities were responsible for the supervision of the police and social services doesn't mean they acted without either a central plan or oversight. They also have specialist committees on which people from all parties serve. Thirdly, these events occurred in deprived areas, which tend to be labour controlled.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 23 2.34pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Or of course the answer could be that you were spouting nonsense as usual. I wish we were having this conversation down the pub.
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georgenorman 05 Apr 23 2.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Firstly, I am neither a zealot nor left-wing. Secondly, that local authorities were responsible for the supervision of the police and social services doesn't mean they acted without either a central plan or oversight. They also have specialist committees on which people from all parties serve. Thirdly, these events occurred in deprived areas, which tend to be labour controlled. Firstly, it is pretty clear that you are both, we just have to read your posts to see that. Your second paragraph is simply laughable. I agree that Labour controlled areas are generally worse places to live compared to others.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Apr 23 2.46pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The councils in the areas where the abuse took place were all Labour controlled and the lack of action was driven by fear of being branded this that and the other by left wing zealots like you. Accurate of course, no dispute from me, however WE has uncharacteristically made a very sage point IMHO. Both Labour and the Tories have strayed from their original identities and are nothing more these days than parties subservient to any zeitgeist they feel will earn them election to power and control - 'Barely a piece of paper between them'. There really isn't much conservative about the Tories now asides from conserving themselves and their bank accounts. That's why we are seeing initiatives like Rwanda and their shocking epiphany around the incorrect and nonexistent pursuit of grooming gangs. They also seemingly hold a desperate need to announce this in order to rattle some sabres and attract/gain the support of certain groups albeit probably to the detriment of others. Whether any effective action is taken is anyone's guess, mine is that it won't for the same reasons you have identified. In all honesty every time-honoured stereotype of politicians has been evidently correct for me in my lifetime and the lesser of two or more evils is the only stance I believe to be relevant in casting a vote these days. You either vote for red and brace for an incoming disaster of sincere magnitude or vote blue to be lied to around just about everything but hope for a less enthusiastic nosedive towards the aforementioned disaster.
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Teddy Eagle 05 Apr 23 4.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I can only surmise the answer. I suspect they were pressured to accept the responsibility and act as the scapegoat, rather than have attention shifted onto those in government who were actually the architects. Architects of what though? If no action was taken because of a long term plan to get communities onside why wouldn't they say so?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 23 5.29pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Firstly, it is pretty clear that you are both, we just have to read your posts to see that. Your second paragraph is simply laughable. I agree that Labour controlled areas are generally worse places to live compared to others. What is truly clear from your repetitive torrent of posts is that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are merely a pile of disaffected prejudice, spouting copy and pasted ideas. You have proved this time and again. I have no more time for truly left wing politics than I have for hard right politics. I am a centralist. Economically conservative but socially liberal. Which is where I think most people are at heart. People who don't recognise alternative thinking tend to react with laughter. Which is quite sad, as they cannot see where the actual deficiency lies. Labour controlled areas are not exclusively the more deprived, but it's the deprivation which results in the politics, and not the reverse. If you haven't got a lot you tend to vote for those who plan to take it from others and give it to you. Just the same as if you have a lot you tend to vote for those who let you keep it.
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georgenorman 05 Apr 23 6.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What is truly clear from your repetitive torrent of posts is that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are merely a pile of disaffected prejudice, spouting copy and pasted ideas. You have proved this time and again. I have no more time for truly left wing politics than I have for hard right politics. I am a centralist. Economically conservative but socially liberal. Which is where I think most people are at heart. People who don't recognise alternative thinking tend to react with laughter. Which is quite sad, as they cannot see where the actual deficiency lies. Labour controlled areas are not exclusively the more deprived, but it's the deprivation which results in the politics, and not the reverse. If you haven't got a lot you tend to vote for those who plan to take it from others and give it to you. Just the same as if you have a lot you tend to vote for those who let you keep it. You say you are not left wing and economically conservative. Yet you champion every left wing cause on here and attack every policy of the Tories. As usual, you say one thing and do another and seem to seriously believe people are going to believe your disingenuous nonsense. The record in most Labour strongholds is that the deprivation worsens, apart from areas like Islington where champagne-socialists send their children to private schools. Then despite their anti-racism rhetoric, they often retreat to undiversified areas, like Cornwall, to maintain their nice lives while pronouncing on the benefits of diversity. Edited by georgenorman (05 Apr 2023 6.20pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 23 8.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Accurate of course, no dispute from me, however WE has uncharacteristically made a very sage point IMHO. Both Labour and the Tories have strayed from their original identities and are nothing more these days than parties subservient to any zeitgeist they feel will earn them election to power and control - 'Barely a piece of paper between them'. There really isn't much conservative about the Tories now asides from conserving themselves and their bank accounts. That's why we are seeing initiatives like Rwanda and their shocking epiphany around the incorrect and nonexistent pursuit of grooming gangs. They also seemingly hold a desperate need to announce this in order to rattle some sabres and attract/gain the support of certain groups albeit probably to the detriment of others. Whether any effective action is taken is anyone's guess, mine is that it won't for the same reasons you have identified. In all honesty every time-honoured stereotype of politicians has been evidently correct for me in my lifetime and the lesser of two or more evils is the only stance I believe to be relevant in casting a vote these days. You either vote for red and brace for an incoming disaster of sincere magnitude or vote blue to be lied to around just about everything but hope for a less enthusiastic nosedive towards the aforementioned disaster.
Whilst I don't agree with all of this, I respect the opinions, which are expressed logically and without rancour. I think many of our MPs are decent people whose motivations are honourable. My own MP, with whom I have an hour-long private meeting next week, is a good example. She works very hard for her constituents, has taken a personal interest in my issue and has written to Ministers on my behalf. They don't though seem to get to positions of power. They fill the backbenches whilst the ambitious Eton boys on the Tory side form governments and the ambitious from everywhere else get to the top elsewhere. As I have written here before I don't think we will see improvement unless and until we change the system.
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