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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Feb 17 12.50pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 When did we last execute someone for heresy? (To save your the trouble, it was 1697.) Glad to see you take it as sign of civilisation to not execute people for heresy. I think its more a sign of civilisation not to execute people at all. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Feb 17 12.50pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

When did we last execute someone for heresy? (To save your the trouble, it was 1697.)

Glad to see you take it as sign of civilisation to not execute people for heresy.

I think its more a sign of civilisation not to execute people at all.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 07 Feb 17 12.52pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger People would petition against their own arses if you gave them a chance. It means nothing. I always think of all those numbskulls marching for CND. Well meaning but clueless. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Feb 2017 12.49pm) Exactly Hrolf..... 97 % of the UK population agree with Trump or can't be arsed either way.
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Hoof Hearted 07 Feb 17 12.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

People would petition against their own arses if you gave them a chance. It means nothing.

I always think of all those numbskulls marching for CND.
Well meaning but clueless.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Feb 2017 12.49pm)

Exactly Hrolf.....

97 % of the UK population agree with Trump or can't be arsed either way.

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 07 Feb 17 1.22pm
Originally posted by Willo I don't get involved in political debates on HOL for the simple reason they would turn into tedious WILLO threads and we have had enough of those thank you very much.Besides I get involved in enough political 'Speak' with my cronies outside of HOL ! All I will say is that I totally agree with all the criticism labelled against 'Bercow' for his comments. I'll leave it at this - no more comments from me on this political thread. And Bercow stood up all the way through his speech. Cad. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 07 Feb 17 1.22pm

Originally posted by Willo

I don't get involved in political debates on HOL for the simple reason they would turn into tedious WILLO threads and we have had enough of those thank you very much.Besides I get involved in enough political 'Speak' with my cronies outside of HOL !

All I will say is that I totally agree with all the criticism labelled against 'Bercow' for his comments.

I'll leave it at this - no more comments from me on this political thread.

And Bercow stood up all the way through his speech.

Cad.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 07 Feb 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Exactly Hrolf..... 97 % of the UK population agree with Trump or can't be arsed either way. Ridiculously and obviously wrong. "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Cockfosters, London 07 Feb 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Exactly Hrolf.....

97 % of the UK population agree with Trump or can't be arsed either way.

Ridiculously and obviously wrong.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Feb 17 4.00pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted I agree with Kermit... you can only use China's President Xi in comparison as Bercow was not Speaker for the other visitors. However..... Bercow is supposed to be politically impartial and has no right to stick his oar in now, particularly as he sat on his hands and said nothing about President Xi - with China's human rights history FFS! Hope this will be the final straw for Bercow and he is forced to resign. He was not representing the majority of the Commons when he made his outburst far from it, nor the majority of the UK population... last time I looked only 1.8 Million had signed the Ban Trump petition, which is roughly 3% of the population. 1.8m is certainly enough to have it debated in parliament (500,000), and I think it kind of displays that people here aren't happy with him. However realistically, he's the leader of an nation, and ultimately its futile to 'ban a president or premier of a nation, no matter how much of a c**t they might be' from official state visits. Ultimately, we have to do 'business' with nations and states we don't like, and engage with them. And on top of that, this is the US. We definitely need to do business with them, literally, if we're going to be leaving the EU. Leaving Burma (for want of an example) out in the cold for example will change nothing, we need to politically leverage the situation towards change. From a protest point of view, you want these people to come, it generate large discord and gets people 'out on the streets'. Always a fun day or two out, chance to meet likeminded people, make a placard and get involved in something real. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Feb 17 4.00pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I agree with Kermit... you can only use China's President Xi in comparison as Bercow was not Speaker for the other visitors.

However.....

Bercow is supposed to be politically impartial and has no right to stick his oar in now, particularly as he sat on his hands and said nothing about President Xi - with China's human rights history FFS!

Hope this will be the final straw for Bercow and he is forced to resign.

He was not representing the majority of the Commons when he made his outburst far from it, nor the majority of the UK population... last time I looked only 1.8 Million had signed the Ban Trump petition, which is roughly 3% of the population.

1.8m is certainly enough to have it debated in parliament (500,000), and I think it kind of displays that people here aren't happy with him.

However realistically, he's the leader of an nation, and ultimately its futile to 'ban a president or premier of a nation, no matter how much of a c**t they might be' from official state visits. Ultimately, we have to do 'business' with nations and states we don't like, and engage with them. And on top of that, this is the US. We definitely need to do business with them, literally, if we're going to be leaving the EU.

Leaving Burma (for want of an example) out in the cold for example will change nothing, we need to politically leverage the situation towards change.

From a protest point of view, you want these people to come, it generate large discord and gets people 'out on the streets'. Always a fun day or two out, chance to meet likeminded people, make a placard and get involved in something real.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Feb 17 4.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger People would petition against their own arses if you gave them a chance. It means nothing. I always think of all those numbskulls marching for CND. Well meaning but clueless. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Feb 2017 12.49pm) You can't win, not through peaceful protest, against something that large, but it did massively boost political movements in the UK, and bring groups of people together - inc political groups who might otherwise never have found common ground. Ok, it was never going to result in Nuclear Disarmament - But it certainly created a massive cultural influence in the UK. Similar to the way the Vietnam war did in the US. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Feb 17 4.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

People would petition against their own arses if you gave them a chance. It means nothing.

I always think of all those numbskulls marching for CND.
Well meaning but clueless.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (07 Feb 2017 12.49pm)

You can't win, not through peaceful protest, against something that large, but it did massively boost political movements in the UK, and bring groups of people together - inc political groups who might otherwise never have found common ground.

Ok, it was never going to result in Nuclear Disarmament - But it certainly created a massive cultural influence in the UK. Similar to the way the Vietnam war did in the US.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Feb 17 4.07pm
The outrage from the BBC and the liberal-left about temporary inconvenience being imposed on a few people from 'predominately Muslim' countries would be better directed at this other 'predominately Muslim' country: [Link] We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 07 Feb 17 4.07pm

The outrage from the BBC and the liberal-left about temporary inconvenience being imposed on a few people from 'predominately Muslim' countries would be better directed at this other 'predominately Muslim' country:

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We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 17 4.13pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 You can't win, not through peaceful protest, against something that large, but it did massively boost political movements in the UK, and bring groups of people together - inc political groups who might otherwise never have found common ground. Ok, it was never going to result in Nuclear Disarmament - But it certainly created a massive cultural influence in the UK. Similar to the way the Vietnam war did in the US. A culture of stupidity.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Ok, it was never going to result in Nuclear Disarmament - But it certainly created a massive cultural influence in the UK. Similar to the way the Vietnam war did in the US.

A culture of stupidity.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Feb 17 4.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A culture of stupidity. No, that would have been Conservative and New Labour educational policy. 60s, 70s and 80s, counter-culture and influence on the arts and UK cultural society was massive, and defined a massive change across generations - And in a large part that can be attributed to the 'post-war generation' and the 60s anti-war movements played a massive role in Europe and the states in carrying that 'war generations' achievements forwards. That's definitely faded out from the 90s, onwards somewhat, but the UKs culture positively thrived as a result of that melting pot that brought all manner of social movements together. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Feb 17 4.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A culture of stupidity.

No, that would have been Conservative and New Labour educational policy.

60s, 70s and 80s, counter-culture and influence on the arts and UK cultural society was massive, and defined a massive change across generations - And in a large part that can be attributed to the 'post-war generation' and the 60s anti-war movements played a massive role in Europe and the states in carrying that 'war generations' achievements forwards.

That's definitely faded out from the 90s, onwards somewhat, but the UKs culture positively thrived as a result of that melting pot that brought all manner of social movements together.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Feb 17 4.29pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The outrage from the BBC and the liberal-left about temporary inconvenience being imposed on a few people from 'predominately Muslim' countries would be better directed at this other 'predominately Muslim' country: [Link] Oddly, one of my concerns of the 'inconvenience' of a ban, is that non-Muslims in Syria, Iraq, Sudan etc are excluded from being able to find refuge in the US. We should be doing more in Nigeria to protect both Muslims and Christians, and certainly pressuring the state to protect all its people. We don't because we have a lot of commercial interests. Of course we do also offer refugee status to Christians from Nigeria, as I'm sure you are aware "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 07 Feb 17 4.29pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

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Oddly, one of my concerns of the 'inconvenience' of a ban, is that non-Muslims in Syria, Iraq, Sudan etc are excluded from being able to find refuge in the US.

We should be doing more in Nigeria to protect both Muslims and Christians, and certainly pressuring the state to protect all its people. We don't because we have a lot of commercial interests.

Of course we do also offer refugee status to Christians from Nigeria, as I'm sure you are aware

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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Feb 17 4.41pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 No, that would have been Conservative and New Labour educational policy. 60s, 70s and 80s, counter-culture and influence on the arts and UK cultural society was massive, and defined a massive change across generations - And in a large part that can be attributed to the 'post-war generation' and the 60s anti-war movements played a massive role in Europe and the states in carrying that 'war generations' achievements forwards. That's definitely faded out from the 90s, onwards somewhat, but the UKs culture positively thrived as a result of that melting pot that brought all manner of social movements together. CND was heavily infiltrated by the Communist Party and the 'achievement' they were after was to get Britain to disarm while the USSR kept their nuclear weapons. The left then was just as daft and gullible as it is now. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 07 Feb 17 4.41pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

No, that would have been Conservative and New Labour educational policy.

That's definitely faded out from the 90s, onwards somewhat, but the UKs culture positively thrived as a result of that melting pot that brought all manner of social movements together.

CND was heavily infiltrated by the Communist Party and the 'achievement' they were after was to get Britain to disarm while the USSR kept their nuclear weapons. The left then was just as daft and gullible as it is now.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 07 Feb 17 4.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A culture of stupidity. How about a culture of intransigence as I noticed you avoided answering my own pertinent question to you from around 8 a.m this morning. Is it because you know I had a point? Edited by Kermit8 (07 Feb 2017 4.54pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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