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legaleagle Flag 15 Dec 16 9.40am

Originally posted by 7mins

Got a text last night. Talks are difficult because Southern have limited ability to agree anything with out DfT's say so. It would have been easier if DfT had been involved in yesterday's talks, but I guess they want political plausible deniability. If talks fail and they were there, they'd get shrapnel.
Still think Southern will accept a Scotrail type agreement. This was offered as a compromise months ago, was close to being signed off, but DfT vetoed.

Which,if right,tells you all you need to know....the Scotrail sensible deal (fair to both) could have been done months ago...without all the recent hassle for commuters but a government ministry vetoed it.....who cares about added commuter misery if you can squeeze some added union bashing and job reductions out of it..ho hum

Edited by legaleagle (15 Dec 2016 9.42am)

 

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Sportyteacher Flag London 15 Dec 16 10.35am Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Have a listen to the following that MIGHT change your opinion: [Link]

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 15 Dec 16 10.48am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Have a listen to the following that MIGHT change your opinion: [Link]

Blimey.

"An On-Board Supervisor has nothing do with despatch"


and then it continues...

"John told Nick that he is leaving his job, rather than take on the role of On-Board Supervisor (OBS), stating: "I didn't think I had a choice.

"If I was in a position where I took an OBS role and I had been on a train as an OBS going through one of the stations where I used to dispatch trains from as a conductor, if something went wrong at that station and somebody ended up underneath that train, either injured or killed, I would spend the rest of my life thinking 'If I had been dispatching that train, as I used to, would that person be ok?"

He explains why that conductor's role is so important, adding: "An on-board supervisor has nothing to do with dispatch.

"When a conductor is dispatching a train, a conductor is a second pair of eyes, acting in effect as a safety net for a driver.

"When there is an on-board supervisor on the train, they have nothing to do with dispatch, so the driver is on his own checking whether it's safe to go, he doesn't have a safety net."

Nick asked why a third of services that run successfully as driver-operated trains, but John explains: "Driver-only operation was established when a) there were a lot less people travelling on the trains and b) most of the trains were four and eight car. Now Southern are saying that this needs to be implemented with 12-car trains through very busy stations. It's an entirely different set of circumstances."

Nick responded: "I wish people were as rational as you who are involved in this.

"You are the most intelligent person I've spoken to with regards to management and unions for this entire conflict. I wish you well and I hope there's a resolution."

 


Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Dec 16 6.49pm

Is it me or have the union bashers gorn a bit quiet on this subject today?

 

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Part Time James Flag 15 Dec 16 6.59pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is it me or have the union bashers gorn a bit quiet on this subject today?

You'll get a medal in the post soon I'm sure. Unless it's being delivered by the Royal Mail, BA or Argos.

 




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Sportyteacher Flag London 15 Dec 16 7.02pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by Part Time James

You'll get a medal in the post soon I'm sure. Unless it's being delivered by the Royal Mail, BA or Argos.

BA is the Government's REAL feeling towards the public sector. Is there anything left to privatise?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Dec 16 7.55pm

Public protest against Southern at Victoria Station earlier this evening.

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 15 Dec 16 8.25pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is it me or have the union bashers gorn a bit quiet on this subject today?

It's you. Everyone who has something to say has said it.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 15 Dec 16 8.50pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

It's you. Everyone who has something to say has said it.


Yep. You can spot the Person unaffected by the strike. Yawn, yawn.

Edited by Helmet46 (15 Dec 2016 8.51pm)

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 16 Dec 16 2.31pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

ASLEF invited for talks, RMT not allowed in. Southern offer ASLEF ££££ to accept DOO and leave RMT powerless. ASLEF refuse bribe.
Well done ASLEF.

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 16 Dec 16 2.33pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is it me or have the union bashers gorn a bit quiet on this subject today?


Some of us work for a living (in between posting on here of course)

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 16 Dec 16 3.07pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

ASLEF invited for talks, RMT not allowed in. Southern offer ASLEF ££££ to accept DOO and leave RMT powerless. ASLEF refuse bribe.
Well done ASLEF.

Yeah, well done. Great job. There goes lots of people's livelihoods. They must be so proud.

And years ago we opened and closed the doors ourselves.

And the trains were just as long and they felt just as busy.

Tossers.


Edited by Helmet46 (16 Dec 2016 3.12pm)

 

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