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georgenorman 22 Mar 23 6.46am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't think there are ANY who actually believe that is an answer. The softly, softly approach was never aimed at the rapists themselves but at the wider communities they hide in. Getting those communities on our side and willing to provide evidence, rather than alienate them, and allow the alibis to flourish, was always thought the most effective long term strategy. There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them. [Orwell]
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georgenorman

22 Mar 23 6.46am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't think there are ANY who actually believe that is an answer.

The softly, softly approach was never aimed at the rapists themselves but at the wider communities they hide in. Getting those communities on our side and willing to provide evidence, rather than alienate them, and allow the alibis to flourish, was always thought the most effective long term strategy.

There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them. [Orwell]

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georgenorman 22 Mar 23 7.06am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Thanks. That report though is light on context. We don't know why the fathers were arrested, what happened before or after, or what else the police did. Likewise, we don't know whether the victims were actually arrested for their own protection, if they were refusing to leave of their own free will, Nor do we know why no action was taken against the alleged perpetrators. The problem with allegations is that nasty thing called evidence and if the victims don't see themselves as victims, then gathering it in sufficient quality to gain convictions isn't as easy as some seem to imagine. Note Wisbech's softly, softly approach to pakistani-heritage-rape-gangs. Evidence must be gathered, a cautious, time consuming investigation must take place. Convictions will be tricky. Totally ignore information supplied as the informers are no doubt Daily Mail reading racists - arrest the fathers of the girls being raped, just in case. Compare this to his approach to a Christian person standing silently in a public street, perhaps praying, or to Christian businesses refusing custom. Arrest them immediately! Arrest them if the police merely perceive that there might be a crime involved! Throw the full force of the law at them, immediately! Their thought crimes are far more serious than a few thousand children and young girls being raped. Edited by georgenorman (22 Mar 2023 7.09am)
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georgenorman

22 Mar 23 7.06am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Thanks. That report though is light on context.

We don't know why the fathers were arrested, what happened before or after, or what else the police did.

Likewise, we don't know whether the victims were actually arrested for their own protection, if they were refusing to leave of their own free will,

Nor do we know why no action was taken against the alleged perpetrators. The problem with allegations is that nasty thing called evidence and if the victims don't see themselves as victims, then gathering it in sufficient quality to gain convictions isn't as easy as some seem to imagine.

Note Wisbech's softly, softly approach to pakistani-heritage-rape-gangs. Evidence must be gathered, a cautious, time consuming investigation must take place. Convictions will be tricky. Totally ignore information supplied as the informers are no doubt Daily Mail reading racists - arrest the fathers of the girls being raped, just in case.

Compare this to his approach to a Christian person standing silently in a public street, perhaps praying, or to Christian businesses refusing custom. Arrest them immediately! Arrest them if the police merely perceive that there might be a crime involved! Throw the full force of the law at them, immediately! Their thought crimes are far more serious than a few thousand children and young girls being raped.

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georgenorman 22 Mar 23 8.00am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I cannot imagine that ever being a real scenario. My daughters always let me know where they were, and either my wife or myself would pick them up. Until they were at least 18. My understanding of the way these gangs work is to prey on vulnerable youngsters, and groom them, rather than to abduct, abuse and rape. But, in the unlikely event of them being abducted, abused and raped, there is no way I would know where they were, unless they managed to call or text me in some way. As mobile phones didn't exist when my children were that age, that wouldn't have happened. If it happened today I would certainly go to the premises and let my daughter know I was outside, but allow the police to do their job. Back in my day I had good connections with my local police station and knew they could be relied upon. What it's like now I don't know but around here I would be very sure of an immediate response. I am not someone whoever takes direct action. I enquire, negotiate and pressurise. I have always used my brain to achieve outcomes and never my fists. What are your daughters' names - Goneril, Regan and Cordelia?
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22 Mar 23 8.00am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I cannot imagine that ever being a real scenario. My daughters always let me know where they were, and either my wife or myself would pick them up. Until they were at least 18.

My understanding of the way these gangs work is to prey on vulnerable youngsters, and groom them, rather than to abduct, abuse and rape.

But, in the unlikely event of them being abducted, abused and raped, there is no way I would know where they were, unless they managed to call or text me in some way. As mobile phones didn't exist when my children were that age, that wouldn't have happened. If it happened today I would certainly go to the premises and let my daughter know I was outside, but allow the police to do their job. Back in my day I had good connections with my local police station and knew they could be relied upon. What it's like now I don't know but around here I would be very sure of an immediate response.

I am not someone whoever takes direct action. I enquire, negotiate and pressurise. I have always used my brain to achieve outcomes and never my fists.

What are your daughters' names - Goneril, Regan and Cordelia?

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 22 Mar 23 8.11am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I cannot imagine that ever being a real scenario. My daughters always let me know where they were, and either my wife or myself would pick them up. Until they were at least 18. My understanding of the way these gangs work is to prey on vulnerable youngsters, and groom them, rather than to abduct, abuse and rape. But, in the unlikely event of them being abducted, abused and raped, there is no way I would know where they were, unless they managed to call or text me in some way. As mobile phones didn't exist when my children were that age, that wouldn't have happened. If it happened today I would certainly go to the premises and let my daughter know I was outside, but allow the police to do their job. Back in my day I had good connections with my local police station and knew they could be relied upon. What it's like now I don't know but around here I would be very sure of an immediate response. Wisbech I am not someone whoever takes direct action. I enquire, negotiate and pressurise. I have always used my brain to achieve outcomes and never my fists. [/quote Not everyone is like you say you were, their daughters go out and they dont know where they are....BUT IF it had happened to your daughter, you would just wait for the nice policeman to arrive and say its ok Mr Wisbech, dont worry she is just at a party with those nice muslims up the road..... Different time Wissie, the police dont care anymore, unless youre exceeding the speed limit,,,,read the report on the Met if you dont believe me.....
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The garden of England.(not really) 22 Mar 23 8.11am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I cannot imagine that ever being a real scenario. My daughters always let me know where they were, and either my wife or myself would pick them up. Until they were at least 18.

My understanding of the way these gangs work is to prey on vulnerable youngsters, and groom them, rather than to abduct, abuse and rape.

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Not everyone is like you say you were, their daughters go out and they dont know where they are....BUT IF it had happened to your daughter, you would just wait for the nice policeman to arrive and say its ok Mr Wisbech, dont worry she is just at a party with those nice muslims up the road.....
Different time Wissie, the police dont care anymore, unless youre exceeding the speed limit,,,,read the report on the Met if you dont believe me.....

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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Mar 23 8.21am
Originally posted by georgenorman What are your daughters' names - Goneril, Regan and Cordelia? LOL One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 22 Mar 23 8.21am

Originally posted by georgenorman

What are your daughters' names - Goneril, Regan and Cordelia?

LOL

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 9.16am
Originally posted by georgenorman There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them. [Orwell] It seems that, this time, that quote is almost accurate! Almost! The actual quote seems to be "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them." Only slightly different? Not in it's meaning. Absurd has a a much more nuanced meaning than wrong. Likewise with intellectual and "very intelligent". To believe something is very different to believing in it. Put together the meaning of the two phrases is totally different. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 9.16am

Originally posted by georgenorman

There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them. [Orwell]

It seems that, this time, that quote is almost accurate! Almost!

The actual quote seems to be "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them."

Only slightly different? Not in it's meaning. Absurd has a a much more nuanced meaning than wrong. Likewise with intellectual and "very intelligent". To believe something is very different to believing in it.

Put together the meaning of the two phrases is totally different.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 9.23am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Yes. The Mail is the problem. It's also the sort of thing Donald Trump would do. Of course the Mail isn't THE problem. What it does is add to the problem, rather than helping to solve it. They do that to sell newspapers and advertising. Trump indeed also exploits the fears of those who support him for his own purposes. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 9.23am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yes. The Mail is the problem. It's also the sort of thing Donald Trump would do.

Of course the Mail isn't THE problem. What it does is add to the problem, rather than helping to solve it. They do that to sell newspapers and advertising.

Trump indeed also exploits the fears of those who support him for his own purposes.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 9.29am
Originally posted by cryrst Well that surely proves they know it’s wrong but don’t give a feck about others by not reporting it. Of course not. No decent policeman, which despite the current problems with the Met are most of them, doesn't care about these things. Reporting is not an objective. Convictions and a decrease in the crime rates are the desired outcomes. Convictions demand evidence. You need public support to gain the evidence. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 9.29am

Originally posted by cryrst

Well that surely proves they know it’s wrong but don’t give a feck about others by not reporting it.

Of course not. No decent policeman, which despite the current problems with the Met are most of them, doesn't care about these things. Reporting is not an objective. Convictions and a decrease in the crime rates are the desired outcomes. Convictions demand evidence. You need public support to gain the evidence.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 22 Mar 23 9.33am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course the Mail isn't THE problem. What it does is add to the problem, rather than helping to solve it. They do that to sell newspapers and advertising. Trump indeed also exploits the fears of those who support him for his own purposes. Pure distraction. As always we await the list of approved news outlets.
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Teddy Eagle

22 Mar 23 9.33am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course the Mail isn't THE problem. What it does is add to the problem, rather than helping to solve it. They do that to sell newspapers and advertising.

Trump indeed also exploits the fears of those who support him for his own purposes.

Pure distraction.
As always we await the list of approved news outlets.

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Teddy Eagle 22 Mar 23 9.38am
Is the BBC acceptable? [Link]
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Teddy Eagle

22 Mar 23 9.38am

Is the BBC acceptable?

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Pembroke Bristol 22 Mar 23 9.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I most certainly don't. He had absolutely no reason to be there. He went assuming that the reports were true. We have professionals to investigate and follow due process when they find anything that is concerning. No apologies for the gangs. They need effective investigation, the gathering of facts and then prosecution, I offer criticism for a rabble-rouser with an agenda who is exploiting a situation for his own purposes. That he stumbled into to something which enabled him to whitewash his motivations is to be blind to his real intentions. Yaxley-Lennon is a stain on our society. Its a weird form of rabble rousing where Tommy Robinson supported a man accused of grooming. Mo Rammy states unequivocally Tommy Robinson supported him. You have your narrative mixed up. Interestingly you are pushing the official line of Hope not Hate here. Its a intricate yarn.
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Bristol 22 Mar 23 9.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I most certainly don't. He had absolutely no reason to be there. He went assuming that the reports were true. We have professionals to investigate and follow due process when they find anything that is concerning. No apologies for the gangs. They need effective investigation, the gathering of facts and then prosecution, I offer criticism for a rabble-rouser with an agenda who is exploiting a situation for his own purposes. That he stumbled into to something which enabled him to whitewash his motivations is to be blind to his real intentions.

Yaxley-Lennon is a stain on our society.

Its a weird form of rabble rousing where Tommy Robinson supported a man accused of grooming. Mo Rammy states unequivocally Tommy Robinson supported him.

You have your narrative mixed up. Interestingly you are pushing the official line of Hope not Hate here. Its a intricate yarn.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 9.48am
Originally posted by georgenorman Note Wisbech's softly, softly approach to pakistani-heritage-rape-gangs. Evidence must be gathered, a cautious, time consuming investigation must take place. Convictions will be tricky. Totally ignore information supplied as the informers are no doubt Daily Mail reading racists - arrest the fathers of the girls being raped, just in case. Compare this to his approach to a Christian person standing silently in a public street, perhaps praying, or to Christian businesses refusing custom. Arrest them immediately! Arrest them if the police merely perceive that there might be a crime involved! Throw the full force of the law at them, immediately! Their thought crimes are far more serious than a few thousand children and young girls being raped. Edited by georgenorman (22 Mar 2023 7.09am) You would make a very bad policeman. Blundering about accusing people, arresting them and alienating whole sections of society whilst doing so. Your cases would never come to court. The CPS would review each case and throw them out for a lack of evidence. Meanwhile, having wasted all that time and resource on a fruitless pursuit of those who are almost surely a danger to our children, you have now managed to see them released back onto the streets and being covered up by their community, who now feel you are targeting them all. Wanting to do something is entirely different to being able to do it. You have to work within the law, no matter how frustrating that might be. Exactly the same applies to other areas of criminal activity, like the way the people smuggling gangs are able to avoid the laws. Nobody, policeman or not, wants to arrest anyone for protesting in whatever way they want to. They will do their best to encourage them to move on. Only as a last resort would an arrest happen. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Mar 23 9.48am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Edited by georgenorman (22 Mar 2023 7.09am)

You would make a very bad policeman. Blundering about accusing people, arresting them and alienating whole sections of society whilst doing so.

Your cases would never come to court. The CPS would review each case and throw them out for a lack of evidence.

Meanwhile, having wasted all that time and resource on a fruitless pursuit of those who are almost surely a danger to our children, you have now managed to see them released back onto the streets and being covered up by their community, who now feel you are targeting them all.

Wanting to do something is entirely different to being able to do it. You have to work within the law, no matter how frustrating that might be. Exactly the same applies to other areas of criminal activity, like the way the people smuggling gangs are able to avoid the laws.

Nobody, policeman or not, wants to arrest anyone for protesting in whatever way they want to. They will do their best to encourage them to move on. Only as a last resort would an arrest happen.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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