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Stirlingsays 27 Apr 17 8.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
No, you blind double doofus. He asked who is "objecting to fellow muslim extremists?" You know - the killers??? IS? By not embroiling themselves in Wahhabism nor attacking The West the rest of Islam is objecting. So I answered him. You are just too ridden by paranoia and faux nationalism in these interesting times to understand that. Edited by Kermit8 (27 Apr 2017 7.59pm) Absurd logic....whatever. The data on people voting for Sharia is there. I seriously recommend you research Islamic reformers. Whatever, but whenever you repeat this lie and I'm around to read it I'm going to give the actual truth out about the views within that community. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Apr 2017 8.11pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Apr 17 8.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
er..I am not into giving my enemies what they want. In this case: knicker wetting paranoia. Are you related to Neville Chamberlain? I'm not into caring about what my enemies want.
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Apr 17 8.21pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'll take that as a confession of guilt.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Apr 17 8.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'll take that as a confession of guilt.
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Apr 17 8.37pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How very BBS of you. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
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davenotamonkey 27 Apr 17 11.12pm | |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
What really concerns me is that when we have a situation, Iraq war, right wing biggots etc, we have demonstration rightly objecting to the extremism, how often do you see muslims organising marches, demonstrayptions, objecting to fellow muslim extremists, saying not in our name, this ,lack of objection leads many to assume that rightly or wrongly, many muslims actualy support the extremism, obviously there are many who do not support the idiots, but how many? Just one example: From a poll of 1,000: "Half (49%) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion, while 45% disagree." "One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris." "..two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree." From a poll of 3,000: 26% believe "extremist views don't exist" in Muslim communities (p.64) On sharia law, "43% said they supported this proposition, whereas 22% opposed it" (p.43) Plenty more statistics like those. The "peaceful majority" are irrelevant.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Apr 17 11.35pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Just one example: From a poll of 1,000: "Half (49%) believe Muslim clerics preaching that violence against the west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion, while 45% disagree." "One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris." "..two thirds (68%) say acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet can never be justified while a quarter (24%) disagree." From a poll of 3,000: 26% believe "extremist views don't exist" in Muslim communities (p.64) On sharia law, "43% said they supported this proposition, whereas 22% opposed it" (p.43) Plenty more statistics like those. The "peaceful majority" are irrelevant.
Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%). Just 6% say they feel a disloyalty. Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws. Selective copy and paste from the second link, which I've copied and pasted with what the report says rather than cherry picked snippets... Amongst the most important findings from the research are the fact that: British Muslims undoubtedly comprise a more religiously devout sub-set of A heightened sense of religious devotion manifests in a clear social There are relatively large levels of support among British Muslims for the It is clear that the more religious Religious devotion and social conservatism do not correlate to political radicalism. When probed specifically on the question of crime, it is striking that the A clear majority of British Muslims (69%) favour an essentially secular British Muslims tend to be among the more active and engaged members of In terms of the manner of that engagement, it is clear that only a minority British Muslims overwhelmingly believe that Britain is a good place in which (apologies for the crap formatting, one of the joys of c+p from a pdf )
Edited by nickgusset (27 Apr 2017 11.36pm)
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Rubin 28 Apr 17 12.22am | |
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The Pew data makes for some interesting reading:
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davenotamonkey 28 Apr 17 12.58am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Almost all Muslims living in Britain feel a loyalty to the country (95%). Just 6% say they feel a disloyalty. Nine in ten (93%) British Muslims believe that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws. Selective copy and paste from the second link, which I've copied and pasted with what the report says rather than cherry picked snippets... Amongst the most important findings from the research are the fact that: British Muslims undoubtedly comprise a more religiously devout sub-set of A heightened sense of religious devotion manifests in a clear social There are relatively large levels of support among British Muslims for the It is clear that the more religious Religious devotion and social conservatism do not correlate to political radicalism. When probed specifically on the question of crime, it is striking that the A clear majority of British Muslims (69%) favour an essentially secular British Muslims tend to be among the more active and engaged members of In terms of the manner of that engagement, it is clear that only a minority British Muslims overwhelmingly believe that Britain is a good place in which (apologies for the crap formatting, one of the joys of c+p from a pdf )
Edited by nickgusset (27 Apr 2017 11.36pm) Why didn't I include "blah, blah, blah..."? Because, you simpleton, I am responding to this post: ..and specifically to the question "obviously there are many who do not support the idiots, but how many?". You think I should just copy and paste the entire report here, you f***wit? I'm reporting the relevant findings. The post didn't ask "hey, I wonder if Muslims feel loyal to Britain". Moreover, if you cannot see the obvious caveats with "British muslims should obey the law" and ANY of the emboldened text, you are an idiot. And, yeah: very aware of the aversion to alcohol thing. Gays too. Meanwhile, you hilariously criticise the youtube uploader comments, but make no mention of the content itself. On searching for it in youtube that was the first link to come up. Go fish, Gusset - there are links to the same segment there with 17 million views, some with nearly 5 million views: You're welcome to critique each and every one of the users that uploaded that video, but you don't critique the actual video itself. You intellectually bankrupt lobotomy. So, yeah OK. You're suggesting there isn't a problem then. Cute. Or maybe that it's overblown. The evidence, and the blood in the many many streets of cities across Europe and the UK suggest otherwise. You people make me sick. This won't be the last thread we create on the atrocities perpetuated in the name of this sky-fairy, and it won't be the last time you reel out your usual apologetics and deflections.
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Stirlingsays 28 Apr 17 7.24am | |
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Sometimes with Nick you just have to headpalm.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 28 Apr 17 7.38am | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Why didn't I include "blah, blah, blah..."? Because, you simpleton, I am responding to this post: ..and specifically to the question "obviously there are many who do not support the idiots, but how many?". You think I should just copy and paste the entire report here, you f***wit? I'm reporting the relevant findings. The post didn't ask "hey, I wonder if Muslims feel loyal to Britain". Moreover, if you cannot see the obvious caveats with "British muslims should obey the law" and ANY of the emboldened text, you are an idiot. And, yeah: very aware of the aversion to alcohol thing. Gays too. Meanwhile, you hilariously criticise the youtube uploader comments, but make no mention of the content itself. On searching for it in youtube that was the first link to come up. Go fish, Gusset - there are links to the same segment there with 17 million views, some with nearly 5 million views: You're welcome to critique each and every one of the users that uploaded that video, but you don't critique the actual video itself. You intellectually bankrupt lobotomy. So, yeah OK. You're suggesting there isn't a problem then. Cute. Or maybe that it's overblown. The evidence, and the blood in the many many streets of cities across Europe and the UK suggest otherwise. You people make me sick. This won't be the last thread we create on the atrocities perpetuated in the name of this sky-fairy, and it won't be the last time you reel out your usual apologetics and deflections. Personal abuse. Great.
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Stirlingsays 28 Apr 17 7.47am | |
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There's a lot in Nick's pdf cut and paste job summary that rings true to my personal experiences with Muslims.....though you get a sense from the text that they are trying to play down any concerns...I doubt they would be doing this if the survey were about say far right groups....Anyway in my experience of working with Muslims I've found most are pretty socially conservative, though often hypocritical, attached to their mosque and group, and that some of them (the less worrying ones) don't really know much about their own religion....though that last point is probably true of most people brought up in religion. The problem with people like Nick and Kermy is that they aren't spending much time listening to Islamic reformers and instead seem to be parroting pretty detached and stupid approaches from 'progressive' left wing thought which has already done quite a bit of damage in society....the responses to gang rapes for example....wholly attributable to their ideology of playing down the issues. Essentially what Sam Harris says about his group is correct in my experience. Around about 85 percent of them.....while they might have unsettling views on some things aren't going to be very political or seriously religious is a troubling way. Whereas about 15 percent (with variations in different countries) are a problem and until apologists start to realise the error of their ways then society isn't really going to tackle this problem without discord.....and hence the delay and problem will just continue to grow going forward.....Some of them telling the rest of us that we just have to 'live with it' isn't good enough. Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz recently wrote a book together.... Islam and the Future of Tolerance: A Dialogue.....People like Nick and Kermy should read it...perhaps then we wouldn't then have to listen to ignorance and denial of this very real and significant problem turned up to eleven. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Apr 2017 7.49am)
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