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 gambler  Kent 14 Dec 16 5.34pm |
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When the dispute is settled, whichever way, do people who use Southern Trains really believe the day to day service will improve?
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| Mapletree Croydon 14 Dec 16 5.35pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
As a matter of interest how many of the posters on this thread regularly have to endure this strike? I do and my job is under threat because of it but I'd be really interested how many others actually know what it's like and appreciate it on a daily basis? It changes your perspective after a while. I used to. Then after the Brexit vote the Americans moved my job to Dublin so I am now a man of leisure. As I said before, strikes are almost always due to management either being massively poor or because the management is choosing to precipitate them. I am guessing that in this case it is the latter. In order to accelerate change in the train industry they are being supported by other TOCs and the Government to take on what are relatively aggressive Unions. I do not believe every Southern train driver or guard is a maverick Marxist doing anything possible to bring down the State. Whether or not the Unions were manipulated into what may become a disastrous strike for them is a moot point. Everyone involved appears to need to take a share of the blame but it is interesting that the Government hasn't banged heads together yet. You have to ask why.
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cardiff eagle  14 Dec 16 5.45pm |
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For those who are saying that they aren't caring about the passengers don't you think this is their last course of action? Talking hasn't worked, southern haven't listened and I believe they want them to strike so they get the public vote and force the changes through. Put yourself in their positions. Not only might you be made redundant but the industry you care about (people in the rail industry really do tend to care) is going to be made less safe as a result. This is all about profit and cost cutting, nothing else. Surely safety is more important. The cost of a guard is tiny compared to the fares paid. Imagine a train of 1400 people all paying 25 pounds for a ticket. 1.5 journeys and the guards annual salary is paid for.....
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Dec 16 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
You can't contend something you haven't read, it took so long to scroll through it that there is a zero percent chance of me wasting time reading it. It smacks of some s*** copied off of facebook too. Makes the "don't read this article' link i posted earlier more pertinent.
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| Part Time James 14 Dec 16 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
As a matter of interest how many of the posters on this thread regularly have to endure this strike? I do and my job is under threat because of it but I'd be really interested how many others actually know what it's like and appreciate it on a daily basis? It changes your perspective after a while. I do and am on your side. I have to admit that because I also have the option of an extra 20 minute walk to an alternative station, I can get a Thameslink train and they are running like clockwork on strike days (no broken down Southern trains holding them up). I think I am comparatively lucky in that respect. Well, very lucky. I understand your plight though.
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| .TUX. 14 Dec 16 7.02pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
As a matter of interest how many of the posters on this thread regularly have to endure this strike? I do and my job is under threat because of it but I'd be really interested how many others actually know what it's like and appreciate it on a daily basis? It changes your perspective after a while. Never, but i fully appreciate that it must be one helluva ball-ache for those who do.
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| elgrande bedford 14 Dec 16 7.32pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Is it safe if the driver is taken ill or there is an incident? Southern from my understanding have admitted that the twelve carriage trains do need 2 staff members, but refuse to guarantee that all trains will have 2. Whilst I understand that shorter off peak trains may be safe enough to only have driver only, it seems the union are convinced that southern will run longer busier trains without a second person So if a driver gets I'll on a 4 carriage train is OK then......what's the difference.
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| npn Crowborough 14 Dec 16 9.17pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
As a matter of interest how many of the posters on this thread regularly have to endure this strike? I do and my job is under threat because of it but I'd be really interested how many others actually know what it's like and appreciate it on a daily basis? It changes your perspective after a while. I'm afraid I do. During the guard strikes I can make it in (though it can take 3hrs), during the driver strikes it's far harder unless I splash out on a £25 each way cab to get to a South Eastern Station
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Dec 16 10.38pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
So if a driver gets I'll on a 4 carriage train is OK then......what's the difference. Not really.
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| legaleagle 14 Dec 16 11.27pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I used to. Then after the Brexit vote the Americans moved my job to Dublin so I am now a man of leisure. As I said before, strikes are almost always due to management either being massively poor or because the management is choosing to precipitate them. I am guessing that in this case it is the latter. In order to accelerate change in the train industry they are being supported by other TOCs and the Government to take on what are relatively aggressive Unions. I do not believe every Southern train driver or guard is a maverick Marxist doing anything possible to bring down the State. Whether or not the Unions were manipulated into what may become a disastrous strike for them is a moot point. Everyone involved appears to need to take a share of the blame but it is interesting that the Government hasn't banged heads together yet. You have to ask why. Indeed...and sorry to hear you are currently a man of leisure...
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| Part Time James 15 Dec 16 7.37am |
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Originally posted by gambler
When the dispute is settled, whichever way, do people who use Southern Trains really believe the day to day service will improve? No, not really. I guess it will be a marginal improvement on no trains at all though.
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| 7mins In the bush 15 Dec 16 9.10am |
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Got a text last night. Talks are difficult because Southern have limited ability to agree anything with out DfT's say so. It would have been easier if DfT had been involved in yesterday's talks, but I guess they want political plausible deniability. If talks fail and they were there, they'd get shrapnel.
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