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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Mar 16 8.31am | |
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That was my point.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Mar 16 9.22am | |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Has anyone in favour of remaining considered how many more asylum seekers we'd be able to take if we didn't have an open boarder to the whole of Europe? This is definitely agree with. We shouldn't be using Europe as a means of supply cheap labour to corporate interests over national ones. The EU should exist to prevent exploitation of EU citizens. Immigration and Asylum are very different issues. In the later, I feel we have an obligation to decency and humanity to act. In acting on Asylum we're moving towards improving lives and preventing exploitation, where as with economic migration we're encouraging the exploitation of poorer nations.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Mar 16 9.24am | |
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Originally posted by exitstageright
Being in the EU and being involved in Middle East wars are not necessarily in our national interests. Can you explain why, given that it was the elected governments that represent that national interest to get involved in both. What defines national interest? Problem is, I think the national interest is likely more national corporate interests, rather than what you or I may believe is in the nations best interests.
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paperhat croydon 09 Mar 16 9.47am | |
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one thing that will be interesting to see is that in the days approaching the vote, watch for the likes of the Daily Mail et al printing stories blaming anything and everything on the next boat of refugees to cross the med, not that they'd be manipulating anything of course
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Hoof Hearted 09 Mar 16 10.00am | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Moreover, why the hell has he mixed UK national emigration with refugee intake? "A Sony TV costs on average £450 in the UK, so you should sell this Turnip for 63p in the US". That's about how meaningless connecting those two numbers are. LOL.... I am still trying to understand his further response to my query.
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exitstageright London 09 Mar 16 10.19am | |
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Originally posted by paperhat
one thing that will be interesting to see is that in the days approaching the vote, watch for the likes of the Daily Mail et al printing stories blaming anything and everything on the next boat of refugees to cross the med, not that they'd be manipulating anything of course No, we should all limit ourselves to watching and listening to the totally unbiased BBC instead.
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exitstageright London 09 Mar 16 10.21am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Can you explain why, given that it was the elected governments that represent that national interest to get involved in both. What defines national interest? Problem is, I think the national interest is likely more national corporate interests, rather than what you or I may believe is in the nations best interests. I agree with you, elected governments do not necessarily always act in the national interest.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Mar 16 10.53am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
This is definitely agree with. We shouldn't be using Europe as a means of supply cheap labour to corporate interests over national ones. The EU should exist to prevent exploitation of EU citizens. Immigration and Asylum are very different issues. In the later, I feel we have an obligation to decency and humanity to act. In acting on Asylum we're moving towards improving lives and preventing exploitation, where as with economic migration we're encouraging the exploitation of poorer nations. Quite right. And I voted UKIP to make my objection. I'd like to see Britain take more refugees but more and more on top of the more and more EU migrants is too much. Local councils have said they are full to capacity. End result is people get placed in expensive B&B's and hotels. Eastern Europeans are willing to go West to work but their governments who are appalled at our real EU reforms put up barbed wire to hold back refugees. Funny old world. (our real EU reforms which Cameron really wanted but has conveniently forgotten)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Mar 16 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by exitstageright
I agree with you, elected governments do not necessarily always act in the national interest. So what is the national interest, how is it defined?
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chris123 hove actually 09 Mar 16 11.02am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So what is the national interest, how is it defined? Defence of the realm, manage the budget and balance the books, manage interests overseas.
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exitstageright London 09 Mar 16 11.24am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So what is the national interest, how is it defined? In terms of policies, whatever is the opposite of what the current establishment champion.
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beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 09 Mar 16 11.46am | |
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I've come down on the Brexit side of the fence. Dominic Lawson, in the Sunday Times, posed the EU question "The test we must apply is: who elected you and how do we get rid of you". A good test IMO. Even those who favour remaining agree that 'The EU' in its current form needs reforming. 'Reforming' sounds sweet and dandy, but reforming the EU requires a EU consensus - and given reformation may go against self-interest, I can only see the EU ever 'tweaking' itself, as lip-service, and never fundamentally 'reforming' itself. Cameron's much vaulted 'reform' (yet to be agreed by the EU) is an example of how to dress up chicken-feed as a 3 course dinner. Paradoxically, the catalyst for meaningful reform may be a Brexit - so as to dis-encourage other countries from following suit. As for the 'tell me what the UK would look like in 5 years time if we left' question...I haven't a clue... But then I also havent a clue what the EU may look like in 5 years time. It could be great, or a basketcase run by resurgent right-wing nationalist parties.
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