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Stirlingsays 19 Oct 23 1.12am
Blimey, this whole thing is even bringing Iran and the House of Saud together....they hate each other. Literally undoing considerable effort over years to get Saudi Arabia on good terms with Israel. [Tweet Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

19 Oct 23 1.12am

Blimey, this whole thing is even bringing Iran and the House of Saud together....they hate each other.

Literally undoing considerable effort over years to get Saudi Arabia on good terms with Israel.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 6.30am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Mr.Sanity, Andrew Marr, here on the situation as at 16th October before the hospital bombing and Biden. [Link] Interesting that the yougov poll shoes the public do not favour the pro-Israeli stance of the conservative and labour parties. Also Starmer's lack of appreciation of the humanitarian situation would cost him seats. I am genuinely interested to know why you think Starmer will lose seats because of his Israel stance? I can only think it might be in constituencies where Muslim voters are the deciding factor, and then would they just abstain? There is no party I can see that would attract the vote unless for example George Galloway were to organise a bunch of candidates. Possibly one or two seats in London where the Labour support was predominantly on the Corbyn side of the party. If voters abstain or make a protest vote against Starmer that surely can only result in assistance to the Conservatives or the Lib Dems so would be self defeating if those voters were pro-Labour apart from the Israel question. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 6.30am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Mr.Sanity, Andrew Marr, here on the situation as at 16th October before the hospital bombing and Biden.

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Interesting that the yougov poll shoes the public do not favour the pro-Israeli stance of the conservative and labour parties.

Also Starmer's lack of appreciation of the humanitarian situation would cost him seats.

I am genuinely interested to know why you think Starmer will lose seats because of his Israel stance?

I can only think it might be in constituencies where Muslim voters are the deciding factor, and then would they just abstain? There is no party I can see that would attract the vote unless for example George Galloway were to organise a bunch of candidates.

Possibly one or two seats in London where the Labour support was predominantly on the Corbyn side of the party.

If voters abstain or make a protest vote against Starmer that surely can only result in assistance to the Conservatives or the Lib Dems so would be self defeating if those voters were pro-Labour apart from the Israel question.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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georgenorman 19 Oct 23 7.13am
Originally posted by HKOwen I am genuinely interested to know why you think Starmer will lose seats because of his Israel stance? I can only think it might be in constituencies where Muslim voters are the deciding factor, and then would they just abstain? There is no party I can see that would attract the vote unless for example George Galloway were to organise a bunch of candidates. Possibly one or two seats in London where the Labour support was predominantly on the Corbyn side of the party. If voters abstain or make a protest vote against Starmer that surely can only result in assistance to the Conservatives or the Lib Dems so would be self defeating if those voters were pro-Labour apart from the Israel question. Steeleye says what he says because he hates Britain, hates the West and supports anyone who also hates the West and in his state of delusion he thinks the majority of people share his views.
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19 Oct 23 7.13am

Originally posted by HKOwen

I am genuinely interested to know why you think Starmer will lose seats because of his Israel stance?

Possibly one or two seats in London where the Labour support was predominantly on the Corbyn side of the party.

Steeleye says what he says because he hates Britain, hates the West and supports anyone who also hates the West and in his state of delusion he thinks the majority of people share his views.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 7.24am
Originally posted by georgenorman Steeleye says what he says because he hates Britain, hates the West and supports anyone who also hates the West and in his state of delusion he thinks the majority of people share his views. In this case I am curious as to why he thinks Starmer will lose seats. It had not crossed my mind the terrible situation in Israel and Gaza would be an election issue in the UK. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 7.24am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Steeleye says what he says because he hates Britain, hates the West and supports anyone who also hates the West and in his state of delusion he thinks the majority of people share his views.

In this case I am curious as to why he thinks Starmer will lose seats.

It had not crossed my mind the terrible situation in Israel and Gaza would be an election issue in the UK.

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Oct 23 7.51am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Meh. Word it better next time. It’s exactly what you meant The sky is always falling in according to you. Bore off to another thread and talk about the same old tripe. You’d be better suited to living on a tiny island, off grid, although even then you’d find something to gripe about. Probably the clouds. Ive no idea why you put yourself through such continual anguish, and no doubt, depression by living in this country. Globalism is going to win out. You and people like you need to work out a way to do well out of it rather than constantly whining about being left behind. At least I can accept that - you’re the one burying your head in the sand if you think change doesn’t create losers, we should all be harmoniously living in glorious isolation, yada yada. There will be more losers than ever as part of the transition to automation and a globalist economy. Nothing you can do to stop that - fight it and lose, or exploit it and win. That’s the reality, whether you like it or not. So shuffle off in your clogs before they pop and bleat about it on the appropriate thread. Edited by SW19 CPFC (18 Oct 2023 10.50pm) I do live on a tiny island, which is now experiencing the real fall out from years of insane immigration policy. You persist with your personal attacks because you know I'm right. You sit in your armchair splurging your moralistic mumbo jumbo and telling us that we had just better put up with the dire direction our country is taking and shut up. I have two words for you. Can you guess what they are?
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19 Oct 23 7.51am

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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Meh. Word it better next time. It’s exactly what you meant

The sky is always falling in according to you. Bore off to another thread and talk about the same old tripe.

You’d be better suited to living on a tiny island, off grid, although even then you’d find something to gripe about. Probably the clouds.

Ive no idea why you put yourself through such continual anguish, and no doubt, depression by living in this country.

Globalism is going to win out. You and people like you need to work out a way to do well out of it rather than constantly whining about being left behind. At least I can accept that - you’re the one burying your head in the sand if you think change doesn’t create losers, we should all be harmoniously living in glorious isolation, yada yada. There will be more losers than ever as part of the transition to automation and a globalist economy. Nothing you can do to stop that - fight it and lose, or exploit it and win.

That’s the reality, whether you like it or not. So shuffle off in your clogs before they pop and bleat about it on the appropriate thread.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (18 Oct 2023 10.50pm)

I do live on a tiny island, which is now experiencing the real fall out from years of insane immigration policy.

You persist with your personal attacks because you know I'm right.
You sit in your armchair splurging your moralistic mumbo jumbo and telling us that we had just better put up with the dire direction our country is taking and shut up.

I have two words for you. Can you guess what they are?

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 8.53am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Meh. Word it better next time. It’s exactly what you meant The sky is always falling in according to you. Bore off to another thread and talk about the same old tripe. You’d be better suited to living on a tiny island, off grid, although even then you’d find something to gripe about. Probably the clouds. Ive no idea why you put yourself through such continual anguish, and no doubt, depression by living in this country. Globalism is going to win out. You and people like you need to work out a way to do well out of it rather than constantly whining about being left behind. At least I can accept that - you’re the one burying your head in the sand if you think change doesn’t create losers, we should all be harmoniously living in glorious isolation, yada yada. There will be more losers than ever as part of the transition to automation and a globalist economy. Nothing you can do to stop that - fight it and lose, or exploit it and win. That’s the reality, whether you like it or not. So shuffle off in your clogs before they pop and bleat about it on the appropriate thread. Edited by SW19 CPFC (18 Oct 2023 10.50pm) Good to see a well reasoned argument rather than a word salad of personal insult. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 8.53am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Meh. Word it better next time. It’s exactly what you meant

The sky is always falling in according to you. Bore off to another thread and talk about the same old tripe.

You’d be better suited to living on a tiny island, off grid, although even then you’d find something to gripe about. Probably the clouds.

Ive no idea why you put yourself through such continual anguish, and no doubt, depression by living in this country.

That’s the reality, whether you like it or not. So shuffle off in your clogs before they pop and bleat about it on the appropriate thread.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (18 Oct 2023 10.50pm)

Good to see a well reasoned argument rather than a word salad of personal insult.

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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Oct 23 10.05am
Originally posted by HKOwen I am genuinely interested to know why you think Starmer will lose seats because of his Israel stance? I can only think it might be in constituencies where Muslim voters are the deciding factor, and then would they just abstain? There is no party I can see that would attract the vote unless for example George Galloway were to organise a bunch of candidates. Possibly one or two seats in London where the Labour support was predominantly on the Corbyn side of the party. If voters abstain or make a protest vote against Starmer that surely can only result in assistance to the Conservatives or the Lib Dems so would be self defeating if those voters were pro-Labour apart from the Israel question. It is just based on the yougov poll probably marginals with a high proportion of muslim voters, but its very subjective who knows what the situation might be. He has since corrected his position but initially he did say that Israel had a right to turn off basic essential services, later he added that it must be subject to international law, I was surprised at such a gaffe as these are mutually exclusive. He thought you could 'get Hamas' by turning off the water? Obviously a British politician.
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Croydon 19 Oct 23 10.05am

Originally posted by HKOwen

I am genuinely interested to know why you think Starmer will lose seats because of his Israel stance?

Possibly one or two seats in London where the Labour support was predominantly on the Corbyn side of the party.

It is just based on the yougov poll probably marginals with a high proportion of muslim voters, but its very subjective who knows what the situation might be.

He has since corrected his position but initially he did say that Israel had a right to turn off basic essential services, later he added that it must be subject to international law, I was surprised at such a gaffe as these are mutually exclusive.

He thought you could 'get Hamas' by turning off the water?

Obviously a British politician.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 10.10am
Thanks your reply, not surprisingly in another yougov poll Oct 11 only 7% thought Starmer is very clear on what he stands for, 25% fairly clear, the rest in the unclear, fairly unlear, very unclear side of things. Overall only 32% have any clarity on what Starmer stands for. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 10.10am

Thanks your reply, not surprisingly in another yougov poll Oct 11 only 7% thought Starmer is very clear on what he stands for, 25% fairly clear, the rest in the unclear, fairly unlear, very unclear side of things.

Overall only 32% have any clarity on what Starmer stands for.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 10.15am
In UK 6% do not think Hamas is a terrorist organisation, that goes up to 15% in London Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 10.15am

In UK 6% do not think Hamas is a terrorist organisation, that goes up to 15% in London

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georgenorman 19 Oct 23 10.24am
Well it now seems to be pretty much established that Israel did not attack the hospital, it seems it was some Islamic ‘group’ either accidentally or on purpose. It is also fairly clear that only the car park was hit, not the building, no images have been published of the hospital damaged. The reports of over 500 deaths is almost certainly a massive exaggeration. Yet the BBC instantly reported all the lies as truth – so much for their ‘reality checks’. The left, including some on here, immediately called for Israel to be prosecuted for a war crime. Can we expect an apology from them and the blame laid where it belongs?
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georgenorman

19 Oct 23 10.24am

Well it now seems to be pretty much established that Israel did not attack the hospital, it seems it was some Islamic ‘group’ either accidentally or on purpose. It is also fairly clear that only the car park was hit, not the building, no images have been published of the hospital damaged. The reports of over 500 deaths is almost certainly a massive exaggeration.

Yet the BBC instantly reported all the lies as truth – so much for their ‘reality checks’. The left, including some on here, immediately called for Israel to be prosecuted for a war crime. Can we expect an apology from them and the blame laid where it belongs?

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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 10.31am
Originally posted by georgenorman Well it now seems to be pretty much established that Israel did not attack the hospital, it seems it was some Islamic ‘group’ either accidentally or on purpose. It is also fairly clear that only the car park was hit, not the building, no images have been published of the hospital damaged. The reports of over 500 deaths is almost certainly a massive exaggeration. Yet the BBC instantly reported all the lies as truth – so much for their ‘reality checks’. The left, including some on here, immediately called for Israel to be prosecuted for a war crime. Can we expect an apology from them and the blame laid where it belongs? Pure speculation for a desired outcome Indefensible biased reporting [Link] Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 19 Oct 23 10.31am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Pure speculation for a desired outcome

Indefensible biased reporting

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silvertop Portishead 19 Oct 23 10.56am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The best thing to do is to stay out of it....but I've already stated why that isn't going to happen and morality isn't part of it. My attitude to this is similar to Ukraine, meddling only produces worst outcomes. Let them fight it out....but no, we have to have a side and now who wins becomes vital. Corrupt low quality elites with dual loyalties. Didn't we try that with Hitler?
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Portishead 19 Oct 23 10.56am