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PatrickA London 13 Jul 20 8.38am
At the moment I don’t think he will be sacked or resign. If we lose 8 games on the trot this may change as it would signify fundamental problems with his management of the players. The problem I have is that if he stays, and we refresh the squad with young players, Hodgson’s track record suggests that he is not the best manager for introducing and implementing changes. We could end up with him seeking to use the same core of older experienced players who are familiar with his methods. He appears to distrust young inexperienced players so I’m not sure we would see the refreshment of the team that is so obviously required. I wonder if his management of Palace has just come to the natural end of its cycle notwithstanding his signing of a new one year deal.
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PatrickA

London 13 Jul 20 8.38am

At the moment I don’t think he will be sacked or resign.
If we lose 8 games on the trot this may change as it would signify fundamental problems with his management of the players.
The problem I have is that if he stays, and we refresh the squad with young players, Hodgson’s track record suggests that he is not the best manager for introducing and implementing changes.
We could end up with him seeking to use the same core of older experienced players who are familiar with his methods.
He appears to distrust young inexperienced players so I’m not sure we would see the refreshment of the team that is so obviously required.
I wonder if his management of Palace has just come to the natural end of its cycle notwithstanding his signing of a new one year deal.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 8.39am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops To believe that a manager who loses 8 on the spin is unsackable is very Palace. Anywhere else in the PL he would be gone. You like a good stat Willo who was the last manager to lose 8 or more games on the spin and retain his job? It is all down to context and circumstances at the time. If 8 successive defeats are the fate of a side already struggling and in danger of relegation then there is scant little surprise if the club makes a decision regards the manager. All dependant on circumstances around these defeats etc etc etc. Hodgson has once again secured survival for us which is his sole objective.We possess an ageing squad and having to play a series of game in a relative short period of time can take it's toll.Having entrusted Hodgson with an extended contract the Board will not panic if we lose a number of games in these unusual circumstances.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 8.39am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

To believe that a manager who loses 8 on the spin is unsackable is very Palace. Anywhere else in the PL he would be gone. You like a good stat Willo who was the last manager to lose 8 or more games on the spin and retain his job?

It is all down to context and circumstances at the time.
If 8 successive defeats are the fate of a side already struggling and in danger of relegation then there is scant little surprise if the club makes a decision regards the manager.
All dependant on circumstances around these defeats etc etc etc.

Hodgson has once again secured survival for us which is his sole objective.We possess an ageing squad and having to play a series of game in a relative short period of time can take it's toll.Having entrusted Hodgson with an extended contract the Board will not panic if we lose a number of games in these unusual circumstances.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Jul 20 9.18am
Originally posted by Willo It is all down to context and circumstances at the time. If 8 successive defeats are the fate of a side already struggling and in danger of relegation then there is scant little surprise if the club makes a decision regards the manager. All dependant on circumstances around these defeats etc etc etc. Hodgson has once again secured survival for us which is his sole objective.We possess an ageing squad and having to play a series of game in a relative short period of time can take it's toll.Having entrusted Hodgson with an extended contract the Board will not panic if we lose a number of games in these unusual circumstances. Blimey, you should be a Politician Willo, that totally dodged the Q? asked. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Jul 20 9.18am

Originally posted by Willo

Blimey, you should be a Politician Willo, that totally dodged the Q? asked.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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palace chick South Croydon 13 Jul 20 9.25am
I just think that replacing Hodgson with a younger manager likely to stay with us if we get relegated next season is better now than waiting a season under Hodgson who will not be able to keep us up next season with this aging squad. Get someone in now who can build a younger team / squad who just may keep us up or get us into contention for coming back up if we do go down next season. It’s a risk but I just can’t see Hodgson working his normal miracle next season. Other than the first half v Bournemouth we and Norwich are the worst sides in the prem at this time. We will be in the same position next season as now with Hodgson going and will probably be relegated with a squad that may struggle to survive in the championship? I think Hodgson needs to go now but would love to be proved wrong.
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palace chick

South Croydon 13 Jul 20 9.25am

I just think that replacing Hodgson with a younger manager likely to stay with us if we get relegated next season is better now than waiting a season under Hodgson who will not be able to keep us up next season with this aging squad. Get someone in now who can build a younger team / squad who just may keep us up or get us into contention for coming back up if we do go down next season. It’s a risk but I just can’t see Hodgson working his normal miracle next season. Other than the first half v Bournemouth we and Norwich are the worst sides in the prem at this time. We will be in the same position next season as now with Hodgson going and will probably be relegated with a squad that may struggle to survive in the championship? I think Hodgson needs to go now but would love to be proved wrong.

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thai-eagle chiang mai 13 Jul 20 9.51am
With 3 workhorses in midfield (Koyuate, Luka, MacArthur) all more or less incapable of playing an "opening pass" to the front men, what to expect? If the manager put out the same team vs United, I just think he has lost the plot. And why why why not throw in a youngster (or two), start with players comfortable on the ball (ex Riedewald) and at least try to play some decent football.
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thai-eagle

chiang mai 13 Jul 20 9.51am

With 3 workhorses in midfield (Koyuate, Luka, MacArthur) all more or less incapable of playing an "opening pass" to the front men, what to expect?
If the manager put out the same team vs United, I just think he has lost the plot.
And why why why not throw in a youngster (or two), start with players comfortable on the ball (ex Riedewald) and at least try to play some decent football.

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Cpfc1861 13 Jul 20 10.00am
in all honesty if we are going to spend money to improve the squad why let roy do it he will have to retire next year just bite the bullet now I cant watch this s***e anymore. Macca for Macca subs all the time.
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Cpfc1861

13 Jul 20 10.00am

in all honesty if we are going to spend money to improve the squad why let roy do it he will have to retire next year just bite the bullet now I cant watch this s***e anymore. Macca for Macca subs all the time.

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cpj Kent 13 Jul 20 10.06am
He has to go. Just looking at our goals scored. We have 30 with 3 games to go. Only in our first season up did we do this badly scoring 33 in the season. Since then we have scored 47, 41, 50, 46 and 51. Under Hodgson we are going backwards. Where are the youngsters being brought through now we are safe? Where's Kirby, or Banks, the youngster we got from Scotland? It's all so predictable. We all know what the side and formation will be every game because he never changes it (unless there are injuries and then it is just a like-for-like change). Hodgson has been managing for over 40 years - football has moved on in that time but Hodgson hasn't. He is too old and the team he picks each week are too old (we have had 18 of the 20 oldest PL teams this season). Put Cahill in charge - at least he's played in winning teams and knows what it's about.
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cpj

Kent 13 Jul 20 10.06am

He has to go. Just looking at our goals scored. We have 30 with 3 games to go. Only in our first season up did we do this badly scoring 33 in the season. Since then we have scored 47, 41, 50, 46 and 51. Under Hodgson we are going backwards. Where are the youngsters being brought through now we are safe? Where's Kirby, or Banks, the youngster we got from Scotland? It's all so predictable. We all know what the side and formation will be every game because he never changes it (unless there are injuries and then it is just a like-for-like change). Hodgson has been managing for over 40 years - football has moved on in that time but Hodgson hasn't. He is too old and the team he picks each week are too old (we have had 18 of the 20 oldest PL teams this season). Put Cahill in charge - at least he's played in winning teams and knows what it's about.

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PatrickA London 13 Jul 20 10.25am
The apologists for Hodgson blame Parish and the Americans, the players, Freedman’s scouting. Where is the accountability of Hodgson? He is accountable for team selection, motivation, maximising resources and tactics. The buck stops with him. He seems to have tricked some people into the view that he has worked wonders keeping us up. I don’t buy it, and don’t accept any justification for the type of negative football we play against the likes of Burnley and Villa. Villa are a poor team and had less rest than us prior to yesterday’s game. Yet we looked like the relegation threatened team. Where are the young players Hodgson promised to look at in the remaining games? If I know the tactics he’s going to employ and substitutions he’s going to make every game you can be pretty sure the opposing managers do too. Palace must be one of the easiest teams to defend against and Hodgson NEVER seeks to address this either through tactical changes or other innovations.
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PatrickA

London 13 Jul 20 10.25am

The apologists for Hodgson blame Parish and the Americans, the players, Freedman’s scouting.
Where is the accountability of Hodgson?
He is accountable for team selection, motivation, maximising resources and tactics.
The buck stops with him.
He seems to have tricked some people into the view that he has worked wonders keeping us up.
I don’t buy it, and don’t accept any justification for the type of negative football we play against the likes of Burnley and Villa.
Villa are a poor team and had less rest than us prior to yesterday’s game. Yet we looked like the relegation threatened team.
Where are the young players Hodgson promised to look at in the remaining games?
If I know the tactics he’s going to employ and substitutions he’s going to make every game you can be pretty sure the opposing managers do too.
Palace must be one of the easiest teams to defend against and Hodgson NEVER seeks to address this either through tactical changes or other innovations.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 10.38am
Originally posted by PatrickA The apologists for Hodgson blame Parish and the Americans, the players, Freedman’s scouting. Where is the accountability of Hodgson? He is accountable for team selection, motivation, maximising resources and tactics. The buck stops with him. He seems to have tricked some people into the view that he has worked wonders keeping us up. I don’t buy it, and don’t accept any justification for the type of negative football we play against the likes of Burnley and Villa. Villa are a poor team and had less rest than us prior to yesterday’s game. Yet we looked like the relegation threatened team. Where are the young players Hodgson promised to look at in the remaining games? If I know the tactics he’s going to employ and substitutions he’s going to make every game you can be pretty sure the opposing managers do too. Palace must be one of the easiest teams to defend against and Hodgson NEVER seeks to address this either through tactical changes or other innovations. PatrickA Are you suggesting that another manager could get the current squad to play a far more expansive and entertaining game and secure survival at the same time? From my perspective we have short-comings in the squad in terms of creativity, the squad is ageing, lacking in energy and mobility at times and Hodgson can only work with the squad he has got.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 10.38am

Originally posted by PatrickA

The apologists for Hodgson blame Parish and the Americans, the players, Freedman’s scouting.
Where is the accountability of Hodgson?
He is accountable for team selection, motivation, maximising resources and tactics.
The buck stops with him.
He seems to have tricked some people into the view that he has worked wonders keeping us up.
I don’t buy it, and don’t accept any justification for the type of negative football we play against the likes of Burnley and Villa.
Villa are a poor team and had less rest than us prior to yesterday’s game. Yet we looked like the relegation threatened team.
Where are the young players Hodgson promised to look at in the remaining games?
If I know the tactics he’s going to employ and substitutions he’s going to make every game you can be pretty sure the opposing managers do too.
Palace must be one of the easiest teams to defend against and Hodgson NEVER seeks to address this either through tactical changes or other innovations.

PatrickA

Are you suggesting that another manager could get the current squad to play a far more expansive and entertaining game and secure survival at the same time?

From my perspective we have short-comings in the squad in terms of creativity, the squad is ageing, lacking in energy and mobility at times and Hodgson can only work with the squad he has got.

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 13 Jul 20 10.38am
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid Any manager is only six games from his job being in question and Roy is no different. However, I don't see anyone plausible actually wanting the job other than someone after a quick payday. The age of the squad and the fact that the owners wanted out even before we faced global economic slump are hardly a secret. Thought the players looked tired and get the frustrations around Roy's reluctance to freshen things up but when the likes of Meyer and Riedewald are continually thrown up as main points of criticism it doesn't do much to strengthen the arguments against him. Luka has looked particularly off the pace and it was notable McCarthy played instead of him in the three wins against Newcastle, Brighton and Watford which effectively saved the season. this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely. Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Any manager is only six games from his job being in question and Roy is no different. However, I don't see anyone plausible actually wanting the job other than someone after a quick payday.

The age of the squad and the fact that the owners wanted out even before we faced global economic slump are hardly a secret.

Thought the players looked tired and get the frustrations around Roy's reluctance to freshen things up but when the likes of Meyer and Riedewald are continually thrown up as main points of criticism it doesn't do much to strengthen the arguments against him.

Luka has looked particularly off the pace and it was notable McCarthy played instead of him in the three wins against Newcastle, Brighton and Watford which effectively saved the season.

this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely.

Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 10.47am
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely. Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things The contract extension was offered to keep Hodgson at the club because he had met his objectives of keeping the club in the PL for two seasons and there was every chance this was going to be extended to three seasons and this of course has been the case. A 'Net spend' of just £8 Mill in the three seasons he has been at charge.He is seen as an experienced 'Safe pair of hands'.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 10.47am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things

The contract extension was offered to keep Hodgson at the club because he had met his objectives of keeping the club in the PL for two seasons and there was every chance this was going to be extended to three seasons and this of course has been the case.

A 'Net spend' of just £8 Mill in the three seasons he has been at charge.He is seen as an experienced 'Safe pair of hands'.

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PatrickA London 13 Jul 20 10.53am
Yes I do believe we could get enough points to stay up even if we didn’t keep 10 behind the ball every game. Hodgson is not getting the best out of his resources as Zaha, Townsend, Benteke and Luka amongst others have gone backwards under him. The only player who has arguably improved under Hodgson is Ayew. I don’t buy the Hodgson myth full stop.
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PatrickA

London 13 Jul 20 10.53am

Yes I do believe we could get enough points to stay up even if we didn’t keep 10 behind the ball every game.
Hodgson is not getting the best out of his resources as Zaha, Townsend, Benteke and Luka amongst others have gone backwards under him.
The only player who has arguably improved under Hodgson is Ayew.
I don’t buy the Hodgson myth full stop.

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