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Spiderman Horsham 03 Oct 20 10.32am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There are many fact-checking sites you can visit to get the information on this, but try this one for starters:- [Link] Isn’t Jeff Bezos involved in a long running feud with Trump. I always thought Washington Post was left leaning but I may be wrong. So no bias in their reporting then?
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Horsham 03 Oct 20 10.32am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There are many fact-checking sites you can visit to get the information on this, but try this one for starters:-

[Link]

Isn’t Jeff Bezos involved in a long running feud with Trump. I always thought Washington Post was left leaning but I may be wrong. So no bias in their reporting then?

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Oct 20 10.35am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't have to provide evidence! It's all there in plain sight. You have only to listen to him, and read his tweets to know them. He contradicts himself constantly. Want a summary? Look here:- [Link] Of course he is getting a negative media campaign! He thoroughly deserves one. Avoiding wars by withdrawing US involvement in protecting others from undemocratic forces is no substitute for ramping up major trade wars with others that could very easily escalate into much more dangerous confrontations. People can die just as easily from the impacts of a trade war as from a hot war these days. Economic deprivation has consequences. Yes, he has ridden the wave of the economic revival that started under Obama but Presidents have little to do with economic cycles. What's more important is that he has prioritised keeping the economy growing over dealing with the pandemic effectively, primarily to avoid damaging his re-election chances. Selfish behaviour that has cost many American lives. Economies can recover. Dead people cannot. He was elected. That's true. Democratically? Questionable when he lost the popular vote. Is the electoral college a democratic system? Talk to many Americans and they will tell you they don't live in a Democracy. They live in a Republic, which isn't the same thing. We do live in a democracy in which we elect representatives to take decisions on our behalf. Holding the Brexit referendum was a betrayal of our democracy and not evidence of it! Can you please give it a rest about Brexit, I don’t feel betrayed about holding the referendum I feel betrayed by those trying to overturn the decision.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't have to provide evidence! It's all there in plain sight. You have only to listen to him, and read his tweets to know them. He contradicts himself constantly. Want a summary? Look here:-

[Link]

Of course he is getting a negative media campaign! He thoroughly deserves one.

Avoiding wars by withdrawing US involvement in protecting others from undemocratic forces is no substitute for ramping up major trade wars with others that could very easily escalate into much more dangerous confrontations. People can die just as easily from the impacts of a trade war as from a hot war these days. Economic deprivation has consequences.

Yes, he has ridden the wave of the economic revival that started under Obama but Presidents have little to do with economic cycles. What's more important is that he has prioritised keeping the economy growing over dealing with the pandemic effectively, primarily to avoid damaging his re-election chances. Selfish behaviour that has cost many American lives. Economies can recover. Dead people cannot.

He was elected. That's true. Democratically? Questionable when he lost the popular vote. Is the electoral college a democratic system? Talk to many Americans and they will tell you they don't live in a Democracy. They live in a Republic, which isn't the same thing.

We do live in a democracy in which we elect representatives to take decisions on our behalf. Holding the Brexit referendum was a betrayal of our democracy and not evidence of it!

Can you please give it a rest about Brexit, I don’t feel betrayed about holding the referendum I feel betrayed by those trying to overturn the decision.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 11.00am
Originally posted by Spiderman 100 times worse! Wow that is a statement without any facts, how do you know how close or not Clinton was to Epstein, he would never admit anything OK so it's just a generalisation to make a point but it was directed not simply to the two "relationships" with Epstein, which are both rather opaque, but to his overall behaviour. As has been pointed out Trump openly defended him and called him a "good guy". Which seems to be a bit of a pattern with him when men who subsequently have their misdeeds revealed. For someone who claims to always hire the "best" people, he does seem to be capable of making some horrendous mistakes and then have to attempt to distance himself later. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 11.00am

Originally posted by Spiderman

100 times worse! Wow that is a statement without any facts, how do you know how close or not Clinton was to Epstein, he would never admit anything

OK so it's just a generalisation to make a point but it was directed not simply to the two "relationships"
with Epstein, which are both rather opaque, but to his overall behaviour.

As has been pointed out Trump openly defended him and called him a "good guy". Which seems to be a bit of a pattern with him when men who subsequently have their misdeeds revealed. For someone who claims to always hire the "best" people, he does seem to be capable of making some horrendous mistakes and then have to attempt to distance himself later.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 11.02am
Originally posted by Spiderman Can you please give it a rest about Brexit, I don’t feel betrayed about holding the referendum I feel betrayed by those trying to overturn the decision. Check your facts. it wasn't me who brought it up. I was merely responding to a factually incorrect claim Address your objections elsewhere, please. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 11.02am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Can you please give it a rest about Brexit, I don’t feel betrayed about holding the referendum I feel betrayed by those trying to overturn the decision.

Check your facts. it wasn't me who brought it up. I was merely responding to a factually incorrect claim Address your objections elsewhere, please.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 11.15am
Originally posted by Spiderman Isn’t Jeff Bezos involved in a long running feud with Trump. I always thought Washington Post was left leaning but I may be wrong. So no bias in their reporting then? The feud is all on the side of Trump who hates criticism of any kind and he gets some from the Post, which is actually a well-regarded newspaper. Which broke the Watergate scandal. Bezos is said to adopt a handoffs approach although I don't doubt he shares the political stance of the paper which although conservative in the past is clearly liberal today. Left-leaning I would question because there is a big difference between being liberal and leaning to the left. Bernie Sanders complains bitterly about how the Post treats him! There is no bias in facts! Running a fact-checker is a service to voters. Don't want your facts checked and shown to be false? Don't make false statements! The answer is always in your own hands. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 11.15am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Isn’t Jeff Bezos involved in a long running feud with Trump. I always thought Washington Post was left leaning but I may be wrong. So no bias in their reporting then?

The feud is all on the side of Trump who hates criticism of any kind and he gets some from the Post, which is actually a well-regarded newspaper. Which broke the Watergate scandal.

Bezos is said to adopt a handoffs approach although I don't doubt he shares the political stance of the paper which although conservative in the past is clearly liberal today. Left-leaning I would question because there is a big difference between being liberal and leaning to the left. Bernie Sanders complains bitterly about how the Post treats him!

There is no bias in facts! Running a fact-checker is a service to voters. Don't want your facts checked and shown to be false? Don't make false statements! The answer is always in your own hands.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Oct 20 11.31am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't have to provide evidence! It's all there in plain sight. You have only to listen to him, and read his tweets to know them. He contradicts himself constantly. Want a summary? Look here:- [Link] Of course he is getting a negative media campaign! He thoroughly deserves one. Avoiding wars by withdrawing US involvement in protecting others from undemocratic forces is no substitute for ramping up major trade wars with others that could very easily escalate into much more dangerous confrontations. People can die just as easily from the impacts of a trade war as from a hot war these days. Economic deprivation has consequences. Yes, he has ridden the wave of the economic revival that started under Obama but Presidents have little to do with economic cycles. What's more important is that he has prioritised keeping the economy growing over dealing with the pandemic effectively, primarily to avoid damaging his re-election chances. Selfish behaviour that has cost many American lives. Economies can recover. Dead people cannot. He was elected. That's true. Democratically? Questionable when he lost the popular vote. Is the electoral college a democratic system? Talk to many Americans and they will tell you they don't live in a Democracy. They live in a Republic, which isn't the same thing. We do live in a democracy in which we elect representatives to take decisions on our behalf. Holding the Brexit referendum was a betrayal of our democracy and not evidence of it! I'm finding it difficult to respond to this post because there is nothing to respond to. It is all just insubstantial one eyed twaddle.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't have to provide evidence! It's all there in plain sight. You have only to listen to him, and read his tweets to know them. He contradicts himself constantly. Want a summary? Look here:-

[Link]

Of course he is getting a negative media campaign! He thoroughly deserves one.

We do live in a democracy in which we elect representatives to take decisions on our behalf. Holding the Brexit referendum was a betrayal of our democracy and not evidence of it!

I'm finding it difficult to respond to this post because there is nothing to respond to.

It is all just insubstantial one eyed twaddle.

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Oct 20 12.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Check your facts. it wasn't me who brought it up. I was merely responding to a factually incorrect claim Address your objections elsewhere, please. Sorry I thought you said you felt betrayed by a referendum being held.
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Horsham 03 Oct 20 12.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Check your facts. it wasn't me who brought it up. I was merely responding to a factually incorrect claim Address your objections elsewhere, please.

Sorry I thought you said you felt betrayed by a referendum being held.

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Stirlingsays 03 Oct 20 4.27pm
Originally posted by Mapletree The CFR is 8% for 70 to 80 year olds. He will likely get worse. It takes a while. Sure, within his age group the risks are higher, but not significantly if you are in good health. I don't know of anyone on the boards who suggested that absolutely nothing should have been done, especially for the elderly ill and vulnerable.....just not the 'destroying half the economy' lock-down we undertook. In terms of Trump getting ill, I'd suggest it's less likely than him fighting it off without drama as on the face of it he isn't frail. We shall see. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Oct 20 4.27pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

The CFR is 8% for 70 to 80 year olds.

He will likely get worse. It takes a while.

Sure, within his age group the risks are higher, but not significantly if you are in good health.

I don't know of anyone on the boards who suggested that absolutely nothing should have been done, especially for the elderly ill and vulnerable.....just not the 'destroying half the economy' lock-down we undertook.

In terms of Trump getting ill, I'd suggest it's less likely than him fighting it off without drama as on the face of it he isn't frail.

We shall see.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 4.57pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Sorry I thought you said you felt betrayed by a referendum being held. I did and I do. Referendums have no legal role in UK democracy. That though was only said because someone else brought it up. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 4.57pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Sorry I thought you said you felt betrayed by a referendum being held.

I did and I do. Referendums have no legal role in UK democracy. That though was only said because someone else brought it up.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 5.02pm
Well that medical update was a big nothing, wasn't it? Seems to me that the Trump campaign are politicising his illness by raising expectations of BIG news, then delaying it by 30 mins so everyone is having to hang on. For nothing! If they play those games then expect the other side to join in. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 20 5.02pm

Well that medical update was a big nothing, wasn't it?

Seems to me that the Trump campaign are politicising his illness by raising expectations of BIG news, then delaying it by 30 mins so everyone is having to hang on. For nothing!

If they play those games then expect the other side to join in.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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BlueJay UK 03 Oct 20 6.16pm
Chris Wallace states that Trump arrived too late in Cleveland to have been tested by the clinic and that there was an "honor system" for the candidates to have arrived after already testing negative. - [Link] WH Press Sec doesn't want to get into "exact timeline" of when Trump learned of Hicks' COVID infection - [Link] The president’s physician says he was diagnosed on Wednesday morning. The White House clarified that he's actually been symptomatic since that time, which would suggest he travelled to rallies and fundraisers knowing he may have covid-19. And of course, he'll have likely tested positive prior to the Wednesday if he had been tested. Sounds like a distinct possibility at minimum that they already knew covid was circulating in their circle prior to the debate. Negligent at best. Mocking Biden for his efforts to protect himself and others, while putting him at immense and unnecessary risk. Edited by BlueJay (03 Oct 2020 7.07pm)
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UK 03 Oct 20 6.16pm

Chris Wallace states that Trump arrived too late in Cleveland to have been tested by the clinic and that there was an "honor system" for the candidates to have arrived after already testing negative. - [Link]

WH Press Sec doesn't want to get into "exact timeline" of when Trump learned of Hicks' COVID infection - [Link]

The president’s physician says he was diagnosed on Wednesday morning. The White House clarified that he's actually been symptomatic since that time, which would suggest he travelled to rallies and fundraisers knowing he may have covid-19. And of course, he'll have likely tested positive prior to the Wednesday if he had been tested.

Sounds like a distinct possibility at minimum that they already knew covid was circulating in their circle prior to the debate. Negligent at best. Mocking Biden for his efforts to protect himself and others, while putting him at immense and unnecessary risk.

Edited by BlueJay (03 Oct 2020 7.07pm)

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Oct 20 6.37pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I did and I do. Referendums have no legal role in UK democracy. That though was only said because someone else brought it up. So what facts did I get wrong. You said it I told you to give it a rest, so basically I was replying to a comment made by you! What am I missing here? Edited by Spiderman (03 Oct 2020 6.38pm)
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Horsham 03 Oct 20 6.37pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I did and I do. Referendums have no legal role in UK democracy. That though was only said because someone else brought it up.

So what facts did I get wrong. You said it I told you to give it a rest, so basically I was replying to a comment made by you! What am I missing here?

Edited by Spiderman (03 Oct 2020 6.38pm)

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