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stuckinbristol Flag In the woodwork. 14 Dec 16 4.47pm Send a Private Message to stuckinbristol Add stuckinbristol as a friend

I have been watching this thread from the start, and have found it informative and amusing in equal measure.

I will be honest, I think striking is a nasty thing to do to the public, it's not even affecting Southern's profit due to the way the franchise is set up, but...
The thought of being on a train with a thousand other people if the driver should get sick/pass out/die miles from anywhere is quite daunting, I'm not sure a mass panic wouldn't ensue.
Also those pictures, posted by 7mins, of the CCTV available to the driver are awful. I rigged up CCTV in my office, and outside, and to be honest it's 100 times clearer than those pictures. Where did they get their cameras, Del Boy's good as new sale?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Dec 16 4.47pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Not wasting my time, the bottom line said it all and flooding the message boards is against the rules anyway,

I wouldn't care if the ratio was 0:2000. Go Robot, to quote the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

So you don't contend anything written in the post. I'd have thought such a piece would be good evidence to counter what Southern claim. But if you only want to hear one side of the story that's your prerogative.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 14 Dec 16 4.54pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

Drivers have the most secure jobs in the industry... costs over 150k to train them, other TOC's love poaching them.

I am getting the sense from you, how ever many facts I put forward... you seem to ignore... maybe you have made your mind up.

Where did I say the drivers would lose their jobs? They're just doing the solidarity bulls***, after all less employees on the trains means less support from them when they want to throw a paddy.

I got the sense from your first post in this thread that you are a life long unionised worker. And I have made my mind up, as I only post my own opinions.

 


Optimistic as ever

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Dec 16 4.55pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Yes it is

Is it safe if the driver is taken ill or there is an incident?

Southern from my understanding have admitted that the twelve carriage trains do need 2 staff members, but refuse to guarantee that all trains will have 2.

Whilst I understand that shorter off peak trains may be safe enough to only have driver only, it seems the union are convinced that southern will run longer busier trains without a second person

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 14 Dec 16 4.55pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

So you don't contend anything written in the post. I'd have thought such a piece would be good evidence to counter what Southern claim. But if you only want to hear one side of the story that's your prerogative.

You can't contend something you haven't read, it took so long to scroll through it that there is a zero percent chance of me wasting time reading it. It smacks of some s*** copied off of facebook too.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 14 Dec 16 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset



Is it safe if the driver is taken ill or there is an incident?

Southern from my understanding have admitted that the twelve carriage trains do need 2 staff members, but refuse to guarantee that all trains will have 2.

Whilst I understand that shorter off peak trains may be safe enough to only have driver only, it seems the union are convinced that southern will run longer busier trains without a second person

Yes

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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aquickgame2 Flag Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 14 Dec 16 5.02pm Send a Private Message to aquickgame2 Add aquickgame2 as a friend

1 guard to a twelve carriage train...disgusting.

There should be 1 to every carriage,that's even more safe and if one of the 12 guards are on a sickie (sorry ill ) the train should be cancelled.

The driver and the other 11 guards can claim their right to work has been denied..get compensation for depression for not being able to fulfill their duties,take a month off fully paid to recuperate.

The lady in Costa Coffee wont get her monthly bonus cos of no trains.
Uber up the price of a £10 fare cos they got the passengers by the bollux if they want to get to work.
Other Mini cab firms drivers all go to Uber.

Oh by the way fck the train passengers.

 

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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 14 Dec 16 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

As a matter of interest how many of the posters on this thread regularly have to endure this strike? I do and my job is under threat because of it but I'd be really interested how many others actually know what it's like and appreciate it on a daily basis?

It changes your perspective after a while.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 14 Dec 16 5.16pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

Long post, but worth a read...

Thanks for that, it was, indeed, well worth a read. Informative, and plenty to chew on.

I didn't get all the way to the end (I bailed when the author starting letting himself down with personal attacks on and "unpleasant person" who is "nearly as bad as Beeching" - at that point I disengaged, but up to that point there were some very valid and thought provoking points, so thanks for posting it

 

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steph_eagle Flag Thornton Heath 14 Dec 16 5.19pm Send a Private Message to steph_eagle Add steph_eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Helmet46

As a matter of interest how many of the posters on this thread regularly have to endure this strike? I do and my job is under threat because of it but I'd be really interested how many others actually know what it's like and appreciate it on a daily basis?

It changes your perspective after a while.

Sadly I have to use them on week days. I work in Brent so it's a bloody nightmare at the moment.

 

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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 14 Dec 16 5.30pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

Southern have rushed thru DOO, the technology isn't there... too many variables. DOO is less safe... the argument is it a lot more unsafe or just a little. Drivers think its a lot more unsafe.. DOO was originally implemented in the late 80's... passenger numbers have rocketed since then.

I thought you said it wasnt about safety. Again they dont seem to care about overcrowding on platforms and other(DOO) services due to their actions. Beyond a joke now for people who pay a fortune for a s*** service.

 

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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 14 Dec 16 5.33pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Apologies 7mins mis read your post. Everything else i said tho stands.

 

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