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exitstageright London 08 Mar 16 1.44pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
How is it in our national interest? We're still part of the EU, and engaged in activities against IS with a view to restoring Syria. If history shows us one thing, its that refugee camps become fertile recruiting grounds for extremist groups - The PLO, PFLP, Hamas, Hezbollah, Black September etc. Being in the EU and being involved in Middle East wars are not necessarily in our national interests.
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chris123 hove actually 08 Mar 16 1.48pm | |
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Originally posted by exitstageright
Being in the EU and being involved in Middle East wars are not necessarily in our national interests. I think the EU has contrived to muddle policy on asylum with policy on migration. We should only be open to legit refugees and not open to economic migrants who fancy a Northern Europe lifestyle.
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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Mar 16 1.53pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
I think the EU has contrived to muddle policy on asylum with policy on migration. We should only be open to legit refugees and not open to economic migrants who fancy a Northern Europe lifestyle. Population of Aleppo before war was 2.3mill. The city has been devastated and is in ruins and is now empty of civilians more or less. War-scarred survivors have had to leave. Economic migrants or refugees? That's probably well over 1.75mill people.
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chris123 hove actually 08 Mar 16 1.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Population of Aleppo before war was 2.3mill. The city has been devastated and is in ruins and is now empty of civilians more or less. War-scarred survivors have had to leave. Economic migrants or refugees? That's probably well over 1.75mill people. Refugee as soon as they reach Turkey, economic migrant everywhere else.
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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Mar 16 2.00pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Refugee as soon as they reach Turkey, economic migrant everywhere else. Officially wrong. See my earlier post about UN refugee status.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 08 Mar 16 2.04pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
When I said, here, I meant in the UK. Obviously on HOL there is the assumed cavet that we should accept the fit ones, preferably with the best tits. This will indeed be of benefit for the discerning punter when looking for a "lady of negotiable virtue”, as an influx of Eastern European ladies desperate for cash will inevitably drive the hourly rate down. So everyone's a winner.
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elgrande bedford 08 Mar 16 4.14pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
By turning refugees into economic migrants, and placing the emphasis for dealing with refugees on other countries. The UK doesn't really have a problem with Asylum based migration. Even in its busiest year, we granted 26,500 applications. Considering that on average 125,000 UK citizens leave the UK permanently, its very much manageable. We should of course be taking individuals displaced into refugee camps, rather than waiting until they turn up on our doorstep and claim asylum. All states should because a) it gives us greater control over the problem b) it keeps refreshing the camp population c) it prevents the market for traffickers. Instead, we've essentially stalled, done as little as possible, over 5 yetars, and now complain that people who may have been in a refugee camp for several years, are resorting to desperate measures. We complain about taking 20,000 Syrian refugees (over 4 years) and how it will overburden our public services. Lebanon, a country of 4m, at the last count, had around one million refugees, displaced by the Syrian civil war. Our problem is with actual economic working migration, and always has been, people who are essentially being used to provide a cheap labour force. Yes Jamie they might of granted 26,000...but how many failed that are still here,and the ones that are still here even after its been rejected.
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davenotamonkey 08 Mar 16 6.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
The statement I have highlighted in red is not in accord with the news this morning about G4S and two other companies struggling to house asylum seekers and making a loss from the £11.21 ongoing allowance from UK government to house/feed individuals per night. G4S are saying that not only are they making a loss but it is getting impossible to find a local authority that actually wants asylum seekers, so they have to be housed in hotels at enormous cost. It's all very well feeling sorry for these people but finding them homes to live in when we are overcrowded already from EU migrants flooding in is a logistical nightmare and very expensive.
Moreover, why the hell has he mixed UK national emigration with refugee intake? "A Sony TV costs on average £450 in the UK, so you should sell this Turnip for 63p in the US". That's about how meaningless connecting those two numbers are.
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Rubin 08 Mar 16 6.36pm | |
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Has anyone in favour of remaining considered how many more asylum seekers we'd be able to take if we didn't have an open boarder to the whole of Europe?
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davenotamonkey 08 Mar 16 6.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Officially wrong. See my earlier post about UN refugee status. Well done - a 60+ year definition that pre-dates the current day "benefit shopping" culture of not looking for immediate protection from war or oppression, but rather shopping for the best passport and best package for their new life. Is France so terrible that they must camp out for the chance to move to the UK? Are they being bombed in Calais? No. Yet they are killing themselves trying to walk through the tunnel to get to the UK because of the huge pull-factor arising from naive idiots here offering them the moon while our ex-servicemen are sleeping on the street.
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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Mar 16 7.03pm | |
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B Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Well done - a 60+ year definition that pre-dates the current day "benefit shopping" culture of not looking for immediate protection from war or oppression, but rather shopping for the best passport and best package for their new life. Is France so terrible that they must camp out for the chance to move to the UK? Are they being bombed in Calais? No. Yet they are killing themselves trying to walk through the tunnel to get to the UK because of the huge pull-factor arising from naive idiots here offering them the moon while our ex-servicemen are sleeping on the street. Why the UK? "I can walk in the streets of London and no-one spits at me or shouts abuse" Words I read from a relieved refugee a while back. Something we should be proud of. Not naive idiots allowing them to feel safe but more so decent human beings. As for ex-servicemen the blame there lies surely with the MoD and lack of mental health and social security care. Successive governments ignoring them once they had done their bit . So why try to blame others when they have zero to do with it? Emotive claptrap, I suspect.
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exitstageright London 08 Mar 16 7.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
B Why the UK? "I can walk in the streets of London and no-one spits at me or shouts abuse" Words I read from a relieved refugee a while back. Something we should be proud of. Not naive idiots allowing them to feel safe but more so decent human beings. As for ex-servicemen the blame there lies surely with the MoD and lack of mental health and social security care. Successive governments ignoring them once they had done their bit . So why try to blame others when they have zero to do with it? Emotive claptrap, I suspect. Wow, I didn't realise it was so easy to stem the tide of people coming here, just a bit of spitting and verbal abuse. Perhaps we should give them free tickets to Palace away games.
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