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ZIGnZAG Stoke 05 Sep 15 12.53pm
Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc... Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home?
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Stoke 05 Sep 15 12.53pm

Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc...

Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Sep 15 1.05pm
Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.53pm Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc... Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home? That's a trick question, because if they were living with someone, they wouldn't technically be homeless. There's over 650 000 empty homes in the UK. It's scandalous.
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Shizzlehurst 05 Sep 15 1.05pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.53pm

Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc...

Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home?

That's a trick question, because if they were living with someone, they wouldn't technically be homeless.

There's over 650 000 empty homes in the UK. It's scandalous.

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Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 05 Sep 15 1.23pm
Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.53pm Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc... Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home? It's not down to individuals to resolve. I think as a nation we should have the opportunity to discuss the situation and to face our moral responsibilities if we decide that we should do more. Otherwise, we just invite chaos and indeterminable policy. It's just another example of short-termism and dodging the issue from our pathetic politicians. Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.53pm

Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc...

Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home?

It's not down to individuals to resolve. I think as a nation we should have the opportunity to discuss the situation and to face our moral responsibilities if we decide that we should do more.

Otherwise, we just invite chaos and indeterminable policy. It's just another example of short-termism and dodging the issue from our pathetic politicians.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

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Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 05 Sep 15 1.34pm
Quote Percy of Peckham at 05 Sep 2015 1.23pm Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.53pm Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc... Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home? It's not down to individuals to resolve. I think as a nation we should have the opportunity to discuss the situation and to face our moral responsibilities if we decide that we should do more. Otherwise, we just invite chaos, resentment and indeterminable policy. It's just another example of short-termism and dodging the issue from our pathetic politicians. Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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Eton Mess 05 Sep 15 1.34pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 05 Sep 2015 1.23pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.53pm

Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc...

Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home?

It's not down to individuals to resolve. I think as a nation we should have the opportunity to discuss the situation and to face our moral responsibilities if we decide that we should do more.

Otherwise, we just invite chaos, resentment and indeterminable policy. It's just another example of short-termism and dodging the issue from our pathetic politicians.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

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ZIGnZAG Stoke 05 Sep 15 2.06pm
Quote nickgusset at 05 Sep 2015 1.05pm Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.53pm Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc... Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home? That's a trick question, because if they were living with someone, they wouldn't technically be homeless. There's over 650 000 empty homes in the UK. It's scandalous. Gee wiz, didn't you do well to go round and count them all.
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Stoke 05 Sep 15 2.06pm

Quote nickgusset at 05 Sep 2015 1.05pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.53pm

Here's a question for all of you that think our country taking in thousands of refugees is a good thing/or that it will help the situation etc, etc...

Q. How many tramps/homeless people do you have living with you in your home?

That's a trick question, because if they were living with someone, they wouldn't technically be homeless.

There's over 650 000 empty homes in the UK. It's scandalous.

Gee wiz, didn't you do well to go round and count them all.

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dannyboy1978 05 Sep 15 2.41pm
Quote sa_eagle at 05 Sep 2015 10.26am He had a name... So did the 2 million in Sudan who have been killed but we don't hear about them! This boy was in Turkey, a safe country so the father has blood on his hands!
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05 Sep 15 2.41pm

Quote sa_eagle at 05 Sep 2015 10.26am

He had a name...

So did the 2 million in Sudan who have been killed but we don't hear about them!

This boy was in Turkey, a safe country so the father has blood on his hands!

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serial thriller The Promised Land 05 Sep 15 3.23pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 05 Sep 2015 12.04pm The picture of that little boy unset me considerably, despite the knowledge that I and anyone opposed to completely unrealistic immigration provision had nothing to do with that child's death. That child's death was all to do with the stupidity and recklessness of the boy's father. It is frankly disgusting but typical of certain people to suggest otherwise. The west owns no one a house and a job....We can't even house our own. The point of a state is to look after its own.....Not others. Help is reasonable, and we are already correctly contributing to providing to this crises by providing UN funds that are feeding and housing people. We should take what our government considers reasonable asylum. What Germany thinks....matters nothing......They and Sweden are partly responsble for this mad dash in the first place. Let them take them. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 12.06pm) Stirling, I think pointing the finger at a father who a) you have never met, b) has gone through unimaginable struggle and hardship and c) may not even be alive/may have died years ago is pretty sickening. I'm not criticising your views as such, it just reads as though you are so defensive about your insular position that you are pointing the finger at anyone else, even if they are a conveniently abstracted figure absent from reality. As for your claim that 'the point of a state is to look after its own', that is just factually inaccurate. Every state in history has had a foreign policy, be it an aggressive one or a benevolent one, and particularly as we move in to an era in which capital is increasingly mobile, in which climate change and war are displacing millions of people and in which resources are growing scarcer and scarcer, viewing nations as separated from each other appears to me a bit silly. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Quote Stirlingsays at 05 Sep 2015 12.04pm

The picture of that little boy unset me considerably, despite the knowledge that I and anyone opposed to completely unrealistic immigration provision had nothing to do with that child's death.

That child's death was all to do with the stupidity and recklessness of the boy's father.

It is frankly disgusting but typical of certain people to suggest otherwise.

The west owns no one a house and a job....We can't even house our own. The point of a state is to look after its own.....Not others.

Help is reasonable, and we are already correctly contributing to providing to this crises by providing UN funds that are feeding and housing people.

We should take what our government considers reasonable asylum.

What Germany thinks....matters nothing......They and Sweden are partly responsble for this mad dash in the first place.

Let them take them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 12.06pm)

Stirling, I think pointing the finger at a father who a) you have never met, b) has gone through unimaginable struggle and hardship and c) may not even be alive/may have died years ago is pretty sickening.

I'm not criticising your views as such, it just reads as though you are so defensive about your insular position that you are pointing the finger at anyone else, even if they are a conveniently abstracted figure absent from reality.

As for your claim that 'the point of a state is to look after its own', that is just factually inaccurate. Every state in history has had a foreign policy, be it an aggressive one or a benevolent one, and particularly as we move in to an era in which capital is increasingly mobile, in which climate change and war are displacing millions of people and in which resources are growing scarcer and scarcer, viewing nations as separated from each other appears to me a bit silly.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 05 Sep 15 3.29pm
Quote dannyboy1978 at 05 Sep 2015 2.41pm Quote sa_eagle at 05 Sep 2015 10.26am He had a name... So did the 2 million in Sudan who have been killed but we don't hear about them! This boy was in Turkey, a safe country so the father has blood on his hands! I have to agree. Cucking made a great point the other day. Once you reach a safe haven as a refugee and decide to move on to somewhere that you favour or may be profitable you become a migrant. That changes your status on the political landscape. Also why risk your families lives to move on from a safe country like Turkey.
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Deal or Croydon 05 Sep 15 3.29pm

Quote dannyboy1978 at 05 Sep 2015 2.41pm

Quote sa_eagle at 05 Sep 2015 10.26am

He had a name...

So did the 2 million in Sudan who have been killed but we don't hear about them!

This boy was in Turkey, a safe country so the father has blood on his hands!

I have to agree. Cucking made a great point the other day. Once you reach a safe haven as a refugee and decide to move on to somewhere that you favour or may be profitable you become a migrant. That changes your status on the political landscape. Also why risk your families lives to move on from a safe country like Turkey.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 05 Sep 15 3.35pm
Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.49pm Quote oldcodger at 05 Sep 2015 12.06pm Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 11.54am Quote oldcodger at 05 Sep 2015 11.01am Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 10.32am Quote sa_eagle at 05 Sep 2015 10.26am He had a name... And you have a complete lack of respect for that poor little boy by re posting a picture of his lifeless body. Taking pictures of dead people is fcuking wrong. There is a callous attitude displayed by some on here towards those in need that weren't born here. I don't think censoring grim realities particularly helps that. What does taking/or looking at pictures of dead children help exactly??? This picture has undeniably resulted in a change in tone of how this crisis is reported, even in the right wing rags. It's also no doubt contributed to the decision to take more refugees in. So there's that. The tone of how it's reported has sunk to a woman thinking it's ok to photograph a dead child. And people being encouraged to view that image, as it gets shared around the world. It's wrong/sick. The fact that there are more refugees, and countries being forced to act like they 'care', means more refugees are being taken in. Taking a picture is wrong / sick but not wanting to help isn't? What's wrong did it put you off your cornflakes? There's a very real problem at the moment and not doing anything simply isn't an option. It doesn't stop people from coming does it? the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 05 Sep 15 3.35pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 12.49pm

Quote oldcodger at 05 Sep 2015 12.06pm

Quote ZIGnZAG at 05 Sep 2015 11.54am

Quote oldcodger at 05 Sep 2015 11.01am

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Quote sa_eagle at 05 Sep 2015 10.26am

He had a name...

And you have a complete lack of respect for that poor little boy by re posting a picture of his lifeless body.
Taking pictures of dead people is fcuking wrong.

There is a callous attitude displayed by some on here towards those in need that weren't born here. I don't think censoring grim realities particularly helps that.

What does taking/or looking at pictures of dead children help exactly???

This picture has undeniably resulted in a change in tone of how this crisis is reported, even in the right wing rags. It's also no doubt contributed to the decision to take more refugees in. So there's that.

The tone of how it's reported has sunk to a woman thinking it's ok to photograph a dead child. And people being encouraged to view that image, as it gets shared around the world.
It's wrong/sick.

The fact that there are more refugees, and countries being forced to act like they 'care', means more refugees are being taken in.

Taking a picture is wrong / sick but not wanting to help isn't?

What's wrong did it put you off your cornflakes?

There's a very real problem at the moment and not doing anything simply isn't an option. It doesn't stop people from coming does it?

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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serial thriller The Promised Land 05 Sep 15 3.41pm
Quote sickboy at 05 Sep 2015 3.29pm Quote dannyboy1978 at 05 Sep 2015 2.41pm Quote sa_eagle at 05 Sep 2015 10.26am He had a name... So did the 2 million in Sudan who have been killed but we don't hear about them! This boy was in Turkey, a safe country so the father has blood on his hands! I have to agree. Cucking made a great point the other day. Once you reach a safe haven as a refugee and decide to move on to somewhere that you favour or may be profitable you become a migrant. That changes your status on the political landscape. Also why risk your families lives to move on from a safe country like Turkey. So do you think it's right for Lebanon - a country of under 5 million, with incredible domestic issues relating to poverty and infrastructure already - to have to take in another 1, maybe 2 million refugees just because of their geographical location? Surely if you have fled a war which began a few years ago and you have a family, your aspirations are going to be a bit higher than living in a tent eating gruel for a decade? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 05 Sep 15 3.41pm

Quote sickboy at 05 Sep 2015 3.29pm

Quote dannyboy1978 at 05 Sep 2015 2.41pm

Quote sa_eagle at 05 Sep 2015 10.26am

He had a name...

So did the 2 million in Sudan who have been killed but we don't hear about them!

This boy was in Turkey, a safe country so the father has blood on his hands!

So do you think it's right for Lebanon - a country of under 5 million, with incredible domestic issues relating to poverty and infrastructure already - to have to take in another 1, maybe 2 million refugees just because of their geographical location?

Surely if you have fled a war which began a few years ago and you have a family, your aspirations are going to be a bit higher than living in a tent eating gruel for a decade?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 05 Sep 15 3.50pm
Matthew Pinsent nailed it @matthewcpinsent: 80yrs ago Nicholas Winton organised trains to get children safely to the UK. We later knighted him. What the hell have we become? the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 05 Sep 15 3.50pm

Matthew Pinsent nailed it

@matthewcpinsent: 80yrs ago Nicholas Winton organised trains to get children safely to the UK. We later knighted him. What the hell have we become?

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Stirlingsays 05 Sep 15 3.55pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Sep 2015 3.50pm Matthew Pinsent nailed it @matthewcpinsent: 80yrs ago Nicholas Winton organised trains to get children safely to the UK. We later knighted him. What the hell have we become? Matthew Pinsent won't have to live with the problem. I bet old Pinsent, who is directly descended from Thomas Howard, 2nd Duke of Norfolk.....who rowed for Eton, has a nice house to live in......I bet he doesn't compete for a job with immigrants. I bet he doesn't have to spend hours waiting for a GP appointment The man enjoyed a life amongst the elites....Never had to muck it out. Yeah, what have we become Matthew......Did you complain about having it better than over ninety percent of the country or did you just take the advantages. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 4.01pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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05 Sep 15 3.55pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Sep 2015 3.50pm

Matthew Pinsent nailed it

@matthewcpinsent: 80yrs ago Nicholas Winton organised trains to get children safely to the UK. We later knighted him. What the hell have we become?

Matthew Pinsent won't have to live with the problem.

I bet old Pinsent, who is directly descended from Thomas Howard, 2nd Duke of Norfolk.....who rowed for Eton, has a nice house to live in......I bet he doesn't compete for a job with immigrants. I bet he doesn't have to spend hours waiting for a GP appointment

The man enjoyed a life amongst the elites....Never had to muck it out.

Yeah, what have we become Matthew......Did you complain about having it better than over ninety percent of the country or did you just take the advantages.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2015 4.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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