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  Hrolf The Ganger  12 Jun 17 3.39pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Maybe that's what they should have focused on rather than trying to jump on the slam Islam bandwagon, with stupid things like the Burka ban. They seem to have been in the process of turning themselves into an anti-immigration party. I'm not sure they ever wanted to end immigration, just reduce it and banning the Burka, although difficult in practice is correct by western standards of morally. No one should be forced either directly or with indoctrination to cover from head to foot.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not sure they ever wanted to end immigration, just reduce it and banning the Burka, although difficult in practice is correct by western standards of morally. No one should be forced either directly or with indoctrination to cover from head to foot.
Nor should they have the choice taken away from them. It's a f***ing headscarf ffs.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 3.42pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Nor should they have the choice taken away from them. It's a f***ing headscarf ffs. I know you are kidding. Aren't you?
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jun 17 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
They would of course still be in Parliament until the next election and able to vote with their party on other policy. It depends if they put the good of the country above their political future. In the current climate, it would only require a dozen to switch. Yes small numbers will make a big difference in current parliament. Issue perhaps is that the current parliament may be very short! In which case most I would imagine will be quite keen to protect their interests. I could imagine that this would be more likely the longer the parliament goes on, but I can't see it happening in the next 12-18 months.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jun 17 4.14pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Corbyn spent all his political life campaigning to leave the EU, as he took the Bennite line that it was just a capitalist club (a view I would agree with). It was only when he became leader of the Labour party that he had the apparent 'road to Damasucs' conversion to Remain. Haha. Not sure he had much of a conversion. His campaigning in this election compared with the EU ref shows what he is capable of when campaigning for policies in which he genuinely believes.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jun 17 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I agree, but it currently doesn't. MP's are in danger of betraying those who voted for a meaningful Brexit. Reckless and Carswell both had by-elections when they defected and so did Goldsmith when he went independent.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jun 17 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
David Davies now coming out with a brexit message even more confusing than before (didn't think that would be possible), stressing the importance of getting the best deal and making this a success for the "100%". Anyone care to enlighten me what exactly that means? Farage to return and I think the divisions in this country are set to get even more poisonous. I must admit I've changed my mind about brexit more times than I can count but the one thought I keep returning to is the fact that we seemed to be obsessed with "being just fine" which kind of makes you wonder what the point of all this uncertainty ever was in the first place. Apparently Davies was unaware that we couldn't make deals with anyone outside of the EU until we had officially left! He also said we could make a unilateral deal with Germany, which of course we cannot.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jun 17 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
I think it would be reasonable to draw the conclusion that a number of those who voted for leave did so,not with a specific type of exit in mind, but as a protest against Cameron/Osborne and their misguided austerity program, or any other particular beef they may have had with the then government. The number of voters who favour a hard exit are extremely unlikely to be in the majority. I agree with this. Many people voted as a protest against the political classes. An anti-establishment vote if you will, but without much thought as to the intricacies of what a post-Brexit Britain would actually look like. Some people I know also believed that voting for Brexit would accelerate the downfall of the Tories (and quite possibly could be right).
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 4.28pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Yes small numbers will make a big difference in current parliament. Issue perhaps is that the current parliament may be very short! In which case most I would imagine will be quite keen to protect their interests. I could imagine that this would be more likely the longer the parliament goes on, but I can't see it happening in the next 12-18 months. This might be so. It is also possible to apply pressure from within the Tory Party of course, which could be the better personal choice.
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Kermit8  Hevon 12 Jun 17 4.39pm |
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The Hard Brexiteers will consist of the 14% who voted for UKIP at the 2015 General Election and....well, just them really. So the country is pushed toward being worse off, possible renewal of troubles in Northern Ireland, long-term instability, economic woes, etc, because of a bunch of ultra-right fantasists. let's hope, whatever it takes, their day doesn't come and we go soft all the way.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jun 17 4.44pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This might be so. It is also possible to apply pressure from within the Tory Party of course, which could be the better personal choice. Quite possibly. Interestingly the Sun think there is a majority in the commons in favour of a "soft Brexit" (this tweet from their political editor): [Tweet Link]
Also interestingly: George Freeman, the Conservative MP who chairs Theresa May’s policy forum, has posted a tweet saying the government should drop its “hard Brexit” message.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 17 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not sure they ever wanted to end immigration, just reduce it and banning the Burka, although difficult in practice is correct by western standards of morally. No one should be forced either directly or with indoctrination to cover from head to foot.
Quite agree, but its an odd policy to push given around 1 or 2% of the UK Muslim population have adopted its use - especially when there probably were more pressing policy matters to focus on.
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