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jamiemartin721  Reading 12 Jun 17 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
They would of course still be in Parliament until the next election and able to vote with their party on other policy. It depends if they put the good of the country above their political future. In the current climate, it would only require a dozen to switch. Surely if the constituents wanted a UKIP MP, they'd have voted for UKIP. MPs who jump parties betray the electorate who voted for them, and doing so should trigger a by-election.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 17 2.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If you mean Britain, most people still want the proper Brexit they voted for. It's time for pro Hard Brexit MP's to stand up and be counted either from within the Tory Party or without. On what basis is that claim made though. UKIP were destroyed at the election, and even in the referendum the decision was whether to leave the EU or not. There was no consensus of how that should be achieved or entail (that's largely what this election was about). You seem to be thinking that the referendum was about something other than leaving the EU. It wasn't, UKIPs views took a total hammering, because the only issue people supported them on was the EU.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 17 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It cannot be said they didn't either. What is more certain is that many voted Brexit to reduce immigration and that almost certainly can't happen without leaving the single market. In which case the assumption should be based on the evidence available, which is that 51.9% of the population support some kind of exit from the EU.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Surely if the constituents wanted a UKIP MP, they'd have voted for UKIP. MPs who jump parties betray the electorate who voted for them, and doing so should trigger a by-election. I agree, but it currently doesn't. MP's are in danger of betraying those who voted for a meaningful Brexit.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 17 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I agree, but it currently doesn't. MP's are in danger of betraying those who voted for a meaningful Brexit. Only if the Conservatives form a government. They're the only people who really can form a majority. But if they back down on freedom of movement, then they'll be slaughtered at the next election.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 2.37pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
On what basis is that claim made though. UKIP were destroyed at the election, and even in the referendum the decision was whether to leave the EU or not. There was no consensus of how that should be achieved or entail (that's largely what this election was about). You seem to be thinking that the referendum was about something other than leaving the EU. It wasn't, UKIPs views took a total hammering, because the only issue people supported them on was the EU. UKIP failed at this election for a number of reasons. A primary one was that people foolishly believe that the Brexit question had been settled and that only the details of our departure remained undecided. For that reason they appeared to be irrelevant in this election. If Brexiters come to realise that Remainer MP's are trying to circumvent democracy, then things will change with the right UKIP leadership. Stand by for the return of Nigel Farage. He left the battlefield prematurely it seems.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Only if the Conservatives form a government. They're the only people who really can form a majority. But if they back down on freedom of movement, then they'll be slaughtered at the next election. That is highly probable and what they would deserve.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 17 2.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
UKIP failed at this election for a number of reasons. A primary one was that people foolishly believe that the Brexit question had been settled and that only the details of our departure remained undecided. For that reason they appeared to be irrelevant in this election. Maybe that's what they should have focused on rather than trying to jump on the slam Islam bandwagon, with stupid things like the Burka ban. They seem to have been in the process of turning themselves into an anti-immigration party.
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| Mstrobez 12 Jun 17 3.01pm |
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David Davies now coming out with a brexit message even more confusing than before (didn't think that would be possible), stressing the importance of getting the best deal and making this a success for the "100%". Anyone care to enlighten me what exactly that means? Farage to return and I think the divisions in this country are set to get even more poisonous. I must admit I've changed my mind about brexit more times than I can count but the one thought I keep returning to is the fact that we seemed to be obsessed with "being just fine" which kind of makes you wonder what the point of all this uncertainty ever was in the first place. Apparently Davies was unaware that we couldn't make deals with anyone outside of the EU until we had officially left!
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 12 Jun 17 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It cannot be said they didn't either. What is more certain is that many voted Brexit to reduce immigration and that almost certainly can't happen without leaving the single market. I think it would be reasonable to draw the conclusion that a number of those who voted for leave did so,not with a specific type of exit in mind, but as a protest against Cameron/Osborne and their misguided austerity program, or any other particular beef they may have had with the then government. The number of voters who favour a hard exit are extremely unlikely to be in the majority.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Maybe that's what they should have focused on rather than trying to jump on the slam Islam bandwagon, with stupid things like the Burka ban. They seem to have been in the process of turning themselves into an anti-immigration party.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.34pm |
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Who would have thought, only a few days ago, that the Queen's speech would be delayed to suit a band of Irish nut-cases?
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