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silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Jan 22 1.09pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's the unforced behaviour of him and those around him that created this situation. It was totally unnecessary, and to anyone other than the most pitifully subservient, the reaction is entirely understandable. There were countless parties and if you buy into this 'work drinks' stuff you'll believe anything. Appreciate what took place while others were strictly prohibited from meeting in even the most grave circumstances. Like it or not, that's no small thing and it's not just supporters of opposing parties that believe that.


Edited by BlueJay (19 Jan 2022 12.05pm)

I do understand that office parties v running the country appears, by superficial analysis, out of all proportion.

But repeatedly lying to Parliament is not. Especially from the CEO of UK plc.

And while they were making whoopee, I was unable to see my own mum off. Those rules were made in the very house in which they were then broken.

Also, this is an attack on BJ, not the government who can freely carry on running the country. He goes, all 3 arms of government plod on.

Finally, the political wing of the executive is transient and must reflect the wishes of the public who are seriously f****d off. Brexit had a great deal to do with the disconnect between the masses and the Westminster elite. This government won a landslide being seen to reflect the will of the people expressed through the referendum. I think they feel very badly let down by all this as the government has been seen to revert to one rule for us, one for you.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Jan 22 1.13pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Now a defection to Labour....

of the 2019 intake of Tory MPs has walked out of the party to join the Labour benches.

Christian Wakeford, who took the red wall seat of Bury South in the last election, had already called for Boris Johnson to go, revealing he had put in a letter of no confidence last week.

But he has now quit the party and joined Labour.

The crack in the dam just got that much bigger.

I'm sure the BBC and other outlets have pressed the "cross the floor" button, but what is the consequence of this?

Is that seat now Labour? I think our system is that you vote the man not the party so that would appear correct. But does Labour not have a selection process in their constitution? And does this automatically trigger a by-election?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Jan 22 1.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Now a defection to Labour....

of the 2019 intake of Tory MPs has walked out of the party to join the Labour benches.

Christian Wakeford, who took the red wall seat of Bury South in the last election, had already called for Boris Johnson to go, revealing he had put in a letter of no confidence last week.

But he has now quit the party and joined Labour.

The crack in the dam just got that much bigger.


Just how left wing is the Tory party when it can have an MP....an MP that went through all the selection processes....who can end up joining the ultra progressives in the Labour party.

That's a pretty damning indictment of those who selected this MP in the first place.

It's insane, Labour can't even call a woman a woman.

Could you imagine one of the progressives in Labour joining the Tories?

 


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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 19 Jan 22 1.37pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Now 1/5 to go. Quite a shift.

Are you putting a fiver on BlueJay? And what if he does go, who do you see replacing him?

I was never a big Boris supporter, he always seemed flighty to say the least. And his private life is a mess. But he got us out of the EU and for that I applaud him.

The irony is that if BJ were to go he might be replaced by an extremely strong leader of the Tory party who makes it even harder for Labour to win the next election.

 


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Matov Flag 19 Jan 22 1.49pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer


The irony is that if BJ were to go he might be replaced by an extremely strong leader of the Tory party who makes it even harder for Labour to win the next election.


Not so sure. The only sliver of a chance that Johnson has is that he is a remarkably 'teflon' politician. He has got away with numerous scandals that would have killed almost every other politician stone dead. He has the 'magic sauce' as I have tediously called it on numerous occassions.

But now...

I have heard two women recently, both of whom have almost zero interest in politics but who both vote on every occassion they are able to do so saying how much they previously liked Johnson but now would never vote for him again.

He seems to have run out of lives.

Also, we need to understand that these parties were held at a time when the country had even more domestic restrictions placed on it than during WW2. Yes, then you had to worry about Germans dropping bombs on you but even then, statistically, you were probably as safe as you were prior to the war. And you would have lived in a society that was focused on social events. Clubs of every description, debating societies, all kinds going on. And you could still go to funerals and birthday parties.

Johnson is now toxic. He has to go. Who replaces him is in the lap of the Gods but the issue has to be that Johnson now lacks any kind of authority.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Grumbles 19 Jan 22 1.54pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

I see that BJ has now definitely lied to parliament during PMQs.

 

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Grumbles 19 Jan 22 1.57pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

I have heard two women recently, both of whom have almost zero interest in politics but who both vote on every occassion they are able to do so saying how much they previously liked Johnson but now would never vote for him again.

I have noted on a few radio phone-ins the individuals defending him are a certain demographic.

I give the guy one thing he must have mighty pheromones.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 19 Jan 22 1.59pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'In the name of God, go' - David Davis

Famously the end of Chamberlain.

'I will not resign' etc. etc.

 

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Grumbles 19 Jan 22 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

'In the name of God, go' - David Davis

Famously the end of Chamberlain.

'I will not resign' etc. etc.

..and David Davis has caught him in a lie.

 

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Matov Flag 19 Jan 22 2.03pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Grumbles

I have noted on a few radio phone-ins the individuals defending him are a certain demographic.

I give the guy one thing he must have mighty pheromones.


He has led an incredibly charmed political life. Dodged all kinds of bullets, was London Mayor twice then pulled off the win in December 2019. He has a charisma that does seem to defy almost all conventional political logic. Until now.

Hubris. Gets all of us in the end, one way or the other.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Matov Flag 19 Jan 22 2.10pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

'In the name of God, go' - David Davis

Famously the end of Chamberlain.

'I will not resign' etc. etc.

For me this is the most telling part...

..afterwards to the BBC's Carolyn Quinn, Mr Davis said he had supported Mr Johnson until his interview on Tuesday, when he said he had not been told a party in the Downing Street garden risked breaking Covid rules.

"Yesterday's interview was an attempt to escape responsibility, not to shoulder it. And that's a test of leadership for me."

He is 100% correct. This has to be the moment when people stop defending Johnson. It is simply unacceptable for the man who signs off on the rules to proclaim nobody told him what they were doing might be wrong.

This now goes beyond whether you are of the left or the right. This is about the catastrophic neglect of any kind of leadership responsibility from the man who has to show it the most. Utterly disgraceful.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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The Dolphin Flag 19 Jan 22 2.13pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Boris has not been a disaster as Steeleye said.
He won a landslide election, saw Brexit through and has been in charge during the pandemic and the vaccination process.
There are pros and cons regarding the pandemic but ultimately he has performed as well as most other leaders around the world given the poisened chalice they were all handed by the Chinese.
He is being undone by the minutae and trying to get out of it - lies creating more lies and so on.
He has been surrounded by the wrong people and that includes Cummings.
The Conservatives will be weaker without him when he goes - probably by the end of the week - because the rest of them bar maybe Sunak - are pygmies by comparison.
He has been ill advised and arrogantly stupid but I genuinely believe that he has been good for London and then the Country.

 

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