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BlueJay UK 19 Jan 22 10.24am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You Lefties are so desperate that you cling on to this low importance nonsense while the country needs to focus on far more important issues. We don't need a leadership battle when the Russians are about to invade the Ukraine, Covid is ongoing, and there are a pile of other significant issues to tackle. The very same people in the Tory party who are apparently trying to oust Johnson might suffer the most from his departure. Labour are not fit for government, and we should just ignore the noise from their side of the house. This is the same party who voted against Brexit to get votes. They have no principles or credibility, so it is laughable to hear them criticize Johnson on his. Yawn. Not everyone has such a pained party political view of themselves and others you know? Do you think I'm licking my lips at the thought of Labour or Lib Dems, or indeed Tories at the helm? Not particularly as I think that the game is rigged as a whole. But anyway, it's for the public and party to decide if it's 'low importance'. They are both doing so. I listed the odds because it's the true 'money where your mouth is take' of where we're at, in terms of likelihood of him going, which would appear to be something that is relevant right now. My post even highlighted that dumping Boris might be pointless on account that he has no obvious replacement. And beyond that, just because someone isn't a mental illness level race obsessive, it doesn't mean they're a 'lefty'. I'm perfectly able to draw balanced and sensible political takes without buying what you're selling. Edited by BlueJay (19 Jan 2022 10.55am)
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BlueJay

UK 19 Jan 22 10.24am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You Lefties are so desperate that you cling on to this low importance nonsense while the country needs to focus on far more important issues.
We don't need a leadership battle when the Russians are about to invade the Ukraine, Covid is ongoing, and there are a pile of other significant issues to tackle.
The very same people in the Tory party who are apparently trying to oust Johnson might suffer the most from his departure. Labour are not fit for government, and we should just ignore the noise from their side of the house. This is the same party who voted against Brexit to get votes. They have no principles or credibility, so it is laughable to hear them criticize Johnson on his.

Yawn. Not everyone has such a pained party political view of themselves and others you know? Do you think I'm licking my lips at the thought of Labour or Lib Dems, or indeed Tories at the helm? Not particularly as I think that the game is rigged as a whole. But anyway, it's for the public and party to decide if it's 'low importance'. They are both doing so.

I listed the odds because it's the true 'money where your mouth is take' of where we're at, in terms of likelihood of him going, which would appear to be something that is relevant right now. My post even highlighted that dumping Boris might be pointless on account that he has no obvious replacement.

And beyond that, just because someone isn't a mental illness level race obsessive, it doesn't mean they're a 'lefty'. I'm perfectly able to draw balanced and sensible political takes without buying what you're selling.

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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Jan 22 10.40am
'Let us go forward together. into broad sunlit uplands' Johnson's hero Churchill. What a disaster Johnson has been, hopefully one day we will wake up and it will be over. The foreign press are incredulous as to how he is still our PM and how he ever became one in the first place.
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Croydon 19 Jan 22 10.40am

'Let us go forward together. into broad sunlit uplands'

Johnson's hero Churchill.

What a disaster Johnson has been, hopefully one day we will wake up and it will be over.

The foreign press are incredulous as to how he is still our PM and how he ever became one in the first place.

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georgenorman 19 Jan 22 10.47am
Originally posted by steeleye20 'Let us go forward together. into broad sunlit uplands' Johnson's hero Churchill. What a disaster Johnson has been, hopefully one day we will wake up and it will be over. The foreign press are incredulous as to how he is still our PM and how he ever became one in the first place. Pravda?
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georgenorman

19 Jan 22 10.47am

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Let us go forward together. into broad sunlit uplands'

Johnson's hero Churchill.

What a disaster Johnson has been, hopefully one day we will wake up and it will be over.

The foreign press are incredulous as to how he is still our PM and how he ever became one in the first place.

Pravda?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Jan 22 10.51am
Originally posted by cryrst So why all the popping at hmg. That's pretty hypocritical bj. It's all about covid ironically mate. Look at the decent position GB is in and ally it to the guess work of how bad brexit should have been. I look to me and mine and all others are secondary. That is politics!!! Just so I've understood; it's hypocritical to not theoretically criticise the opposition over how they might have handled the pandemic, if you're going to criticise the government who actually did handle it?
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Originally posted by cryrst

So why all the popping at hmg. That's pretty hypocritical bj.
It's all about covid ironically mate.
Look at the decent position GB is in and ally it to the guess work of how bad brexit should have been. I look to me and mine and all others are secondary. That is politics!!!

Just so I've understood; it's hypocritical to not theoretically criticise the opposition over how they might have handled the pandemic, if you're going to criticise the government who actually did handle it?

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BlueJay UK 19 Jan 22 10.53am
Originally posted by steeleye20 'Let us go forward together. into broad sunlit uplands' Johnson's hero Churchill. What a disaster Johnson has been, hopefully one day we will wake up and it will be over. The foreign press are incredulous as to how he is still our PM and how he ever became one in the first place. It is rather pitiful seeing some still bend over for the man, I agree. A substantial number of voters regardless of party affiliation understand how unforced and insulting this stuff is. One rule for them. The arrogance of it considering the sacrifices people were asked to make - or rather told, through threat of severe fine and arrest. If people can't see how disgusting it is to keep people away from dying loved ones or mourning them, while the rule makers knock back Pimms, they're beyond help. All entirely unforced too. The arrogance. Edited by BlueJay (19 Jan 2022 10.56am)
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BlueJay

UK 19 Jan 22 10.53am

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Let us go forward together. into broad sunlit uplands'

Johnson's hero Churchill.

What a disaster Johnson has been, hopefully one day we will wake up and it will be over.

The foreign press are incredulous as to how he is still our PM and how he ever became one in the first place.

It is rather pitiful seeing some still bend over for the man, I agree. A substantial number of voters regardless of party affiliation understand how unforced and insulting this stuff is. One rule for them. The arrogance of it considering the sacrifices people were asked to make - or rather told, through threat of severe fine and arrest.

If people can't see how disgusting it is to keep people away from dying loved ones or mourning them, while the rule makers knock back Pimms, they're beyond help. All entirely unforced too. The arrogance.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Jan 22 10.57am
Originally posted by BlueJay It is rather pathetic seeing some bend over for the man, I agree. A substantial number of voters regardless of party affiliation understand how unforced and insulting this stuff is. One rule for them. The arrogance of it considering the sacrifices people were asked (or rather told, through threat of severe fine and arrest) to make. If people can't see how disgusting it is to keep people away from dying loved ones or mourning them, while the rule makers knock back Pimms, they're beyond help. All entirely unforced too. The arrogance. Edited by BlueJay (19 Jan 2022 10.54am) Na, it's just Lefties making a fuss over unimportant nonsense! You're right though; people willing to abandon any sort of empathy or compassion for other people, all to defend someone who literally thinks they're scum.
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 19 Jan 22 10.57am

Originally posted by BlueJay

It is rather pathetic seeing some bend over for the man, I agree. A substantial number of voters regardless of party affiliation understand how unforced and insulting this stuff is. One rule for them. The arrogance of it considering the sacrifices people were asked (or rather told, through threat of severe fine and arrest) to make.

Edited by BlueJay (19 Jan 2022 10.54am)

Na, it's just Lefties making a fuss over unimportant nonsense!

You're right though; people willing to abandon any sort of empathy or compassion for other people, all to defend someone who literally thinks they're scum.

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 19 Jan 22 11.49am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You Lefties are so desperate that you cling on to this low importance nonsense while the country needs to focus on far more important issues. We don't need a leadership battle when the Russians are about to invade the Ukraine, Covid is ongoing, and there are a pile of other significant issues to tackle. The very same people in the Tory party who are apparently trying to oust Johnson might suffer the most from his departure. Labour are not fit for government, and we should just ignore the noise from their side of the house. This is the same party who voted against Brexit to get votes. They have no principles or credibility, so it is laughable to hear them criticize Johnson on his. Quite bloomin' right Hrolf. Couldn't agree more. It's a nonsense that so much attention is being deflected from the job of running the Country by a flaky campaign to oust Johnson. All because some of his staff took time out from dealing with the Covid pandemic to have a few drinks in the garden. All hyped up by the media. Except GB News. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You Lefties are so desperate that you cling on to this low importance nonsense while the country needs to focus on far more important issues.
We don't need a leadership battle when the Russians are about to invade the Ukraine, Covid is ongoing, and there are a pile of other significant issues to tackle.
The very same people in the Tory party who are apparently trying to oust Johnson might suffer the most from his departure. Labour are not fit for government, and we should just ignore the noise from their side of the house. This is the same party who voted against Brexit to get votes. They have no principles or credibility, so it is laughable to hear them criticize Johnson on his.

Quite bloomin' right Hrolf. Couldn't agree more. It's a nonsense that so much attention is being deflected from the job of running the Country by a flaky campaign to oust Johnson. All because some of his staff took time out from dealing with the Covid pandemic to have a few drinks in the garden.

All hyped up by the media. Except GB News.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Matov 19 Jan 22 11.59am
Now a defection to Labour.... *of the 2019 intake of Tory MPs has walked out of the party to join the Labour benches.* *Christian Wakeford, who took the red wall seat of Bury South in the last election, had already called for Boris Johnson to go, revealing he had put in a letter of no confidence last week.* But he has now quit the party and joined Labour. The crack in the dam just got that much bigger. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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19 Jan 22 11.59am

Now a defection to Labour....

of the 2019 intake of Tory MPs has walked out of the party to join the Labour benches.

Christian Wakeford, who took the red wall seat of Bury South in the last election, had already called for Boris Johnson to go, revealing he had put in a letter of no confidence last week.

But he has now quit the party and joined Labour.

The crack in the dam just got that much bigger.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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BlueJay UK 19 Jan 22 11.59am
Originally posted by BlueJay Odds update. Now 3/10 to go this year, so by no means a certainty, but the tide is turning against him somewhat. I think his position is approaching untennable, but at the same time who exactly is there to replace him? Rishi Sunak is currently clear favourite!? Now 1/5 to go. Quite a shift.
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UK 19 Jan 22 11.59am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Odds update. Now 3/10 to go this year, so by no means a certainty, but the tide is turning against him somewhat.

I think his position is approaching untennable, but at the same time who exactly is there to replace him? Rishi Sunak is currently clear favourite!?

Now 1/5 to go. Quite a shift.

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BlueJay UK 19 Jan 22 12.05pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer Quite bloomin' right Hrolf. Couldn't agree more. It's a nonsense that so much attention is being deflected from the job of running the Country by a flaky campaign to oust Johnson. All because some of his staff took time out from dealing with the Covid pandemic to have a few drinks in the garden. All hyped up by the media. Except GB News. It's the unforced behaviour of him and those around him that created this situation. It was totally unnecessary, and to anyone other than the most pitifully subservient, the reaction is entirely understandable. There were countless parties and if you buy into this 'work drinks' stuff you'll believe anything. Appreciate what took place while others were strictly prohibited from meeting in even the most grave circumstances. Like it or not, that's no small thing and it's not just supporters of opposing parties that believe that. Edited by BlueJay (19 Jan 2022 12.05pm)
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UK 19 Jan 22 12.05pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

All hyped up by the media. Except GB News.

It's the unforced behaviour of him and those around him that created this situation. It was totally unnecessary, and to anyone other than the most pitifully subservient, the reaction is entirely understandable. There were countless parties and if you buy into this 'work drinks' stuff you'll believe anything. Appreciate what took place while others were strictly prohibited from meeting in even the most grave circumstances. Like it or not, that's no small thing and it's not just supporters of opposing parties that believe that.

Edited by BlueJay (19 Jan 2022 12.05pm)

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Matov 19 Jan 22 12.19pm
Originally posted by BlueJay It's the unforced behaviour of him and those around him that created this situation. It was totally unnecessary, and to anyone other than the most pitifully subservient, the reaction is entirely understandable. There were countless parties and if you buy into this 'work drinks' stuff you'll believe anything. Appreciate what took place while others were strictly prohibited from meeting in even the most grave circumstances. Like it or not, that's no small thing and it's not just supporters of opposing parties that believe that. Edited by BlueJay (19 Jan 2022 12.05pm) Have to agree. It's just the piss poor judgment around it. At a time when people could not go to funerals and the like, then the optics of deciding to stand around drinking wine in the company of others, when you have made the rules in the first place, is beyond poor. Sheer hubris on a scale that renders people incapable of holding a leadership position. And for the balance, even the wisdom of Starmer swigging a beer whilst supposedly 'working' does not bode well either. But its a minute crime when compared to what Johnson over-saw. These people are not fit to lead. It's that simple now. Edited by Matov (19 Jan 2022 12.19pm) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

19 Jan 22 12.19pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Edited by BlueJay (19 Jan 2022 12.05pm)

Have to agree. It's just the piss poor judgment around it. At a time when people could not go to funerals and the like, then the optics of deciding to stand around drinking wine in the company of others, when you have made the rules in the first place, is beyond poor. Sheer hubris on a scale that renders people incapable of holding a leadership position.

And for the balance, even the wisdom of Starmer swigging a beer whilst supposedly 'working' does not bode well either. But its a minute crime when compared to what Johnson over-saw.

These people are not fit to lead. It's that simple now.

Edited by Matov (19 Jan 2022 12.19pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Jan 22 1.04pm
Originally posted by Matov Have to agree. It's just the piss poor judgment around it. At a time when people could not go to funerals and the like, then the optics of deciding to stand around drinking wine in the company of others, when you have made the rules in the first place, is beyond poor. Sheer hubris on a scale that renders people incapable of holding a leadership position. And for the balance, even the wisdom of Starmer swigging a beer whilst supposedly 'working' does not bode well either. But its a minute crime when compared to what Johnson over-saw. These people are not fit to lead. It's that simple now. Edited by Matov (19 Jan 2022 12.19pm) I mentioned a few days ago about the drinking culture in politics and that this is out of touch with the rest of the work force. Coincidently a former no 10 aide has just said the same thing when referring to Johnson et al, drinking at lunch and other functions apparently is the norm for these people. They need to wise up that this is not the norm for the majority of the population and is frowned upon in the work force these days. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 19 Jan 22 1.04pm

Originally posted by Matov

And for the balance, even the wisdom of Starmer swigging a beer whilst supposedly 'working' does not bode well either. But its a minute crime when compared to what Johnson over-saw.

These people are not fit to lead. It's that simple now.

Edited by Matov (19 Jan 2022 12.19pm)

I mentioned a few days ago about the drinking culture in politics and that this is out of touch with the rest of the work force. Coincidently a former no 10 aide has just said the same thing when referring to Johnson et al, drinking at lunch and other functions apparently is the norm for these people.

They need to wise up that this is not the norm for the majority of the population and is frowned upon in the work force these days.

One more point

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