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Starmer's past catching up with him
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 beak  croydon 17 Apr 23 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Very scientific research. I was talking to voters,they count at election time, sadly for you we live in a democracy!
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Badger11  Beckenham 17 Apr 23 3.56pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I believe that the Council did some property dealswith Companies who fleeced them because the Council people doing the deals were too stupid to know and understand what they were doing On the BBS someone complained "why do the voters have to suffer" (15% increase but blame it on the Tories). Doh because you keep voting for an incompetent council if the voters had paid attention they could have made it clear to the Labour council much earlier to sort it or else.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 17 Apr 23 6.53pm |
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Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher? Rishi Sunak does. The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%. Conservative councils already charge £345 more than labour ones. A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies. That's much better from labour and its not personal.
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| Spiderman Horsham 17 Apr 23 7.19pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher? Rishi Sunak does. The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%. Conservative councils already charge £345 more than labour ones. A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies. That's much better from labour and its not personal. What about the Labour controlled Croydon Council? What a fine job?
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batcountry  Melbourne 17 Apr 23 9.06pm |
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I’m afraid that politics no longer attracts attracts the right kind of people. There’s not a real statesman/woman amongst the lot of them. Shouting about tories being better thank labour and vice versa is futile and town councils are mostly run by amateurs. Dyed in the wool propaganda and gotcha moments is no way to run a country and the fact that proven liars and criminals are backed as potential leaders is appalling.
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Apr 23 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher? Rishi Sunak does. The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%. Conservative councils already charge £345 more than labour ones. A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies. That's much better from labour and its not personal. A lot of the profit is outside the UK. How do you tax from another country ? Edited by cryrst (17 Apr 2023 9.37pm)
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| Matov 17 Apr 23 9.37pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Starmer should concentrate on issues where he doesn't have a history of hypocrisy and simple lying, like the Sunak rapist attack ad. Problem is finding those. Which is why the attack ad's make perfect sense. Starmer has a MASSIVE Achilles heel when it comes to much of the woke stuff. Just that picture of him taking the knee during all that BLM stuff is going to hurt big time when the electioneering gets underway. So fight fire with fire. I think it is very clever politicking. Changes the narrative. Makes people question just how right-wing the Tories truly are (which is not a lot in my opinion). Labour does not need to persuade lefties to vote for them. The British Left primarily identifies itself by being Anti-Tory rather than pro-Labour and Starmer has to do nothing to get their vote. They are nailed on to vote Labour, no matter what. Starmer needs white people who voted Conservative in 2019 to switch to him. That simple. And he only does that by fighting the Tories on their ground because this is where the battle is won or lost. Ignore the polls. The figure scaring Labour at the moment is the undecideds. And Sunak scores better in terms of who people percieve him as being a better Prime Minister than Starmer. Starmer has no choice but to go nasty.
So he might get a few votes less in safe Labour seats. Those do not matter a single jot.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| The Dolphin 17 Apr 23 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher? Rishi Sunak does. The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%. Conservative councils already charge £345 more than labour ones. A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies. That's much better from labour and its not personal. Is that what you believe??
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| Tunbridge Tunbridge Wells 17 Apr 23 10.43pm |
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I do.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 18 Apr 23 5.47am |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I believe that the Council did some property dealswith Companies who fleeced them because the Council people doing the deals were too stupid to know and understand what they were doing Yes, it was pretty much a case of, “I bought a house once so I know how to be a property developer and put together an investment portfolio.” The idea behind it was sound, the lack of competence of those managing the deals frankly scary.
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| Matov 18 Apr 23 6.18am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Yes, it was pretty much a case of, “I bought a house once so I know how to be a property developer and put together an investment portfolio.” The idea behind it was sound, the lack of competence of those managing the deals frankly scary. Well quite. How on earth can any organisation, with access to the landbank and resources like Croydon, lose money on property? In the SE of England? That takes a very special kind of stupid with the only other option, utter corruption or that rather unique combination of both. In fact, Croydon as a whole, given its wealth of transport links, is pretty difficult to f*** up. But they managed it.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 19 Apr 23 6.44am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher? Rishi Sunak does. The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%. Conservative councils already charge £345 more than labour ones. A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies. That's much better from labour and its not personal. Absolute garbage on rises as others will point out. You are the political version of a flat earther, amusing though
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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