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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 21 10.05am
Originally posted by Putitout The excuse was we had picked up injuries. That may be at least part of the truth. But let’s face it, we barely have a team at the moment anyway, If the developers are that far forward, to consider viable for first team action, why couldn’t some of them have a run out against Pompey, ? it would seem they are not that far forward. So that doesn’t look so good. And the over riding fact remains that with just weeks to go we have some major vacancies to fill. And one has to ask , even if we get a number of replacements in will they be up to speed for the start of the new season? Probably pick up an injury as soon as they turn into Copers Cope Road.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 21 10.05am

Originally posted by Putitout

The excuse was we had picked up injuries. That may be at least part of the truth. But let’s face it, we barely have a team at the moment anyway, If the developers are that far forward, to consider viable for first team action, why couldn’t some of them have a run out against Pompey, ? it would seem they are not that far forward. So that doesn’t look so good. And the over riding fact remains that with just weeks to go we have some major vacancies to fill. And one has to ask , even if we get a number of replacements in will they be up to speed for the start of the new season?

Probably pick up an injury as soon as they turn into Copers Cope Road.

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Palace in the Blood 13 Jul 21 10.45am
Originally posted by Omph That we have just cancelled out first preseason friendly - probably on the basis that we don't have a team to put out - says quite a lot. Cahill Townsend and Ward are obviously temporary but all have acres of experience and would be reassuring squad members. Quite a lot to be said for having solid experience to fall back on and let's face it there will be times in the season when we will are likely down to bare bones and that's when it will be reassuring to one of these guys fit in I agree with you but part of problem is we do not know how PV wants to play. We have no senior right back and no timescale for 2 youngsters to return from injury so in my mind we should offer short term contracts to both Ward and Clyne on reduced terms. However if we are going for wing backs Ward is not fast enough. Again with Cahill how would he work in a back 3 if that is the PV way. However as we have a shortage of CD I think if he gets on with PV a role as a player coach may be suitable while he does his licences. Townsend I am not sure he is a solid squad player but would he accept squad player wages? I don't think that offering these contracts will prevent youngsters coming through as RB both are injured and CD we can buy/promote at least 2 and have a vacancy suitable for cahill
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Originally posted by Omph

That we have just cancelled out first preseason friendly - probably on the basis that we don't have a team to put out - says quite a lot.

Cahill Townsend and Ward are obviously temporary but all have acres of experience and would be reassuring squad members. Quite a lot to be said for having solid experience to fall back on and let's face it there will be times in the season when we will are likely down to bare bones and that's when it will be reassuring to one of these guys fit in

I agree with you but part of problem is we do not know how PV wants to play.

We have no senior right back and no timescale for 2 youngsters to return from injury so in my mind we should offer short term contracts to both Ward and Clyne on reduced terms. However if we are going for wing backs Ward is not fast enough.

Again with Cahill how would he work in a back 3 if that is the PV way. However as we have a shortage of CD I think if he gets on with PV a role as a player coach may be suitable while he does his licences.

Townsend I am not sure he is a solid squad player but would he accept squad player wages?

I don't think that offering these contracts will prevent youngsters coming through as RB both are injured and CD we can buy/promote at least 2 and have a
vacancy suitable for cahill

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 13 Jul 21 10.53am
Joel Ward is apparently at St Georges so presumably means he will be signing an extension. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 13 Jul 21 10.53am

Joel Ward is apparently at St Georges so presumably means he will be signing an extension.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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PatrickA London 13 Jul 21 10.55am
A month ago Townsend said on the radio that the out of contract players were told by the club that a it was intended to appoint a manager within two weeks and that the new manager would determine which players he wanted to retain. You have to assume that was factual. A month later we have a new manager but are no clearer as to whom we are trying to retain and meanwhile their contracts have expired. I don’t expect to know the minutiae of how the club does business. However, it does have a direct impact on preparations for the new season. Between Dann, Ward, Sakho, PVA, Clyne, Townsend, Cahill and Mcarthy that is a lot of experience to replace in one window. This is collective experience for younger players to learn from even if some of those named haven’t featured much recently. I’m all for a transition to youth and recognise the opportunity with the expiry of contracts to refresh the squad. Nonetheless, there is still a place for experience and believe we need to either retain 4 of these or obtain 4 players of similar experience. If it’s intended to retain some of them they should surely already be fully engaged in pre season training working alongside Vieira. The bond established between a new manager and senior players is key for implementation of new methods and for getting the ‘buy in’ always required with a new manager.
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A month ago Townsend said on the radio that the out of contract players were told by the club that a it was intended to appoint a manager within two weeks and that the new manager would determine which players he wanted to retain.
You have to assume that was factual.
A month later we have a new manager but are no clearer as to whom we are trying to retain and meanwhile their contracts have expired.
I don’t expect to know the minutiae of how the club does business.
However, it does have a direct impact on preparations for the new season.
Between Dann, Ward, Sakho, PVA, Clyne, Townsend, Cahill and Mcarthy that is a lot of experience to replace in one window.
This is collective experience for younger players to learn from even if some of those named haven’t featured much recently.
I’m all for a transition to youth and recognise the opportunity with the expiry of contracts to refresh the squad.
Nonetheless, there is still a place for experience and believe we need to either retain 4 of these or obtain 4 players of similar experience.
If it’s intended to retain some of them they should surely already be fully engaged in pre season training working alongside Vieira.
The bond established between a new manager and senior players is key for implementation of new methods and for getting
the ‘buy in’ always required with a new manager.

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The Beger Croydon 13 Jul 21 11.00am
Ward has signed, according to Dom Fifield, waiting for confirmation... [Tweet Link] I am not a bot. No, seriously, I'm not.
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Ward has signed, according to Dom Fifield, waiting for confirmation...

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X20XEV Hampshire 13 Jul 21 11.24am
I am Glad Ward has re-signed if true, he has always given his all and waited until WB was sold to get his place back. Just hope Cahill and Townsend come onboard as well, both did jobs for us last year and can do again next year. Was just looking at the next series of the New Amsterdam show starting next week and thought Ward had another career as an actor under the name of Ryan Eggold.
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I am Glad Ward has re-signed if true, he has always given his all and waited until WB was sold to get his place back. Just hope Cahill and Townsend come onboard as well, both did jobs for us last year and can do again next year.

Was just looking at the next series of the New Amsterdam show starting next week and thought Ward had another career as an actor under the name of Ryan Eggold.

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Putitout Oxford 13 Jul 21 11.47am
“ Glad all over”. But we do need another RB.
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Oxford 13 Jul 21 11.47am

“ Glad all over”. But we do need another RB.

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kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 13 Jul 21 12.07pm
Originally posted by Putitout “ Glad all over”. But we do need another RB. Agreed.. I'm pleased for him but please he cannot be our 1st choice right back. He hasn't been up to it for a couple of seasons now and if we are looking to progress then we need to be starting with a better right back than Ward... Can't let sentiment get in the way of progression. Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!
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Originally posted by Putitout

“ Glad all over”. But we do need another RB.

Agreed.. I'm pleased for him but please he cannot be our 1st choice right back. He hasn't been up to it for a couple of seasons now and if we are looking to progress then we need to be starting with a better right back than Ward... Can't let sentiment get in the way of progression.

Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

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Omph Liverpool 13 Jul 21 12.17pm
Optics couldn't be worse really. Major takeaway for me is that Vieira is likely unsure on how he wants to set up. We could surely have put out a squad had we wanted with the youngsters slotting in where we have blanks. My glass half full take would be that he isn't going the full FdB and imposing a system but looking at what we have and deciding how to slot it together Straw clutching perhaps Originally posted by Willo The start of the PL is only a month away. No backroom staff for Vieira announced. A host of players out of contract and only 1 signing. A pre-season friendly cancelled. The 'Optics' don't look good.
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Omph

Liverpool 13 Jul 21 12.17pm

Optics couldn't be worse really.

Major takeaway for me is that Vieira is likely unsure on how he wants to set up. We could surely have put out a squad had we wanted with the youngsters slotting in where we have blanks.

My glass half full take would be that he isn't going the full FdB and imposing a system but looking at what we have and deciding how to slot it together

Straw clutching perhaps

Originally posted by Willo

The start of the PL is only a month away.
No backroom staff for Vieira announced.
A host of players out of contract and only 1 signing.
A pre-season friendly cancelled.

The 'Optics' don't look good.

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taylors lovechild 13 Jul 21 12.55pm
Ward is a solid professional and while I'd rather he wasn't first-choice at right-back anymore, I think for a club our size he is a dependable back up. Given Clyne is training I imagine they both might get new deals allowing us to invest what money we have in other areas, like a new Thesaurus for Willo, a Sainsbury's carpark surveillance system and a crystal ball for dazza.
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Ward is a solid professional and while I'd rather he wasn't first-choice at right-back anymore, I think for a club our size he is a dependable back up. Given Clyne is training I imagine they both might get new deals allowing us to invest what money we have in other areas, like a new Thesaurus for Willo, a Sainsbury's carpark surveillance system and a crystal ball for dazza.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 21 1.17pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild Ward is a solid professional and while I'd rather he wasn't first-choice at right-back anymore, I think for a club our size he is a dependable back up. Given Clyne is training I imagine they both might get new deals allowing us to invest what money we have in other areas, like a new Thesaurus for Willo, a Sainsbury's carpark surveillance system and a crystal ball for dazza. Just enquiring - What is another word for 'Thesaurus' ?
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 21 1.17pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Ward is a solid professional and while I'd rather he wasn't first-choice at right-back anymore, I think for a club our size he is a dependable back up. Given Clyne is training I imagine they both might get new deals allowing us to invest what money we have in other areas, like a new Thesaurus for Willo, a Sainsbury's carpark surveillance system and a crystal ball for dazza.

Just enquiring - What is another word for 'Thesaurus' ?