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Den1923 11 Aug 20 9.18am
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed every club can have a bad window as they fail to sign their key targets. We seem to have had 4/5 on the trot which suggest our strategy is wrong. If we can only afford a Mondeo there is no point shopping in the Ferrari store and hoping the salesman will knock 50% of the valuation. If we don't have much money then it is better to look at cheaper targets. I would love a striker that scores 30 goals per season but unless you are incredibly lucky they are expensive. So I would settle for 2 strikers that score 10-15 goals per season each. Burnley have 3/4 strikers who just creep into double figures but it allows Dyche to rotate when they are out of form. Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2020 8.40am) How correct you are, for some reason we do not seem to tap in to the affordable talent that is around in the lower divisions or indeed the european markets we good player are often available at affordable prices, both Ian Wright and Jamie Vardy are proof that is so. Our problem is we have DOF who is not on the ball, he should have a a bank of player he has researched for various positions so that when there is a need we can move quickly to fill the gap or in our case gap's that are present in our squad. Our strategy seems to be firefighting at the last minute for aged bargains, sick notes or loan deals all of which are often only temporary solutions.
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Den1923

11 Aug 20 9.18am

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed every club can have a bad window as they fail to sign their key targets. We seem to have had 4/5 on the trot which suggest our strategy is wrong.

If we can only afford a Mondeo there is no point shopping in the Ferrari store and hoping the salesman will knock 50% of the valuation.

If we don't have much money then it is better to look at cheaper targets. I would love a striker that scores 30 goals per season but unless you are incredibly lucky they are expensive. So I would settle for 2 strikers that score 10-15 goals per season each. Burnley have 3/4 strikers who just creep into double figures but it allows Dyche to rotate when they are out of form.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2020 8.40am)

How correct you are, for some reason we do not seem to tap in to the affordable talent that is around in the lower divisions or indeed the european markets we good player are often available at affordable prices, both Ian Wright and Jamie Vardy are proof that is so. Our problem is we have DOF who is not on the ball, he should have a a bank of player he has researched for various positions so that when there is a need we can move quickly to fill the gap or in our case gap's that are present in our squad. Our strategy seems to be firefighting at the last minute for aged bargains, sick notes or loan deals all of which are often only temporary solutions.

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Eaglecoops CR3 11 Aug 20 11.16am
Originally posted by Den1923 How correct you are, for some reason we do not seem to tap in to the affordable talent that is around in the lower divisions or indeed the european markets we good player are often available at affordable prices, both Ian Wright and Jamie Vardy are proof that is so. Our problem is we have DOF who is not on the ball, he should have a a bank of player he has researched for various positions so that when there is a need we can move quickly to fill the gap or in our case gap's that are present in our squad. Our strategy seems to be firefighting at the last minute for aged bargains, sick notes or loan deals all of which are often only temporary solutions. I would say it is because we are always looking for a sticking plaster to fill the gaping chasm in certain positions instead of gradually introducing younger and cheaper talent to a side. If you buy one established player for £40m or 8 at £5m with potential, then that one player can only play one position and probably only for 3 years or so before ageing and losing value. Going the other route, not only might you unearth a gem but chances are if you are going youth with potential (and £5m per player is lets face it still a wedge of cash and should get you decent youngsters), then there is every chance you get to recoup your money and strengthen the base of your side. Maybe this is the future plan, my biggest issue is trying to understand what plan we are trying to implement.
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CR3 11 Aug 20 11.16am

Originally posted by Den1923

How correct you are, for some reason we do not seem to tap in to the affordable talent that is around in the lower divisions or indeed the european markets we good player are often available at affordable prices, both Ian Wright and Jamie Vardy are proof that is so. Our problem is we have DOF who is not on the ball, he should have a a bank of player he has researched for various positions so that when there is a need we can move quickly to fill the gap or in our case gap's that are present in our squad. Our strategy seems to be firefighting at the last minute for aged bargains, sick notes or loan deals all of which are often only temporary solutions.

I would say it is because we are always looking for a sticking plaster to fill the gaping chasm in certain positions instead of gradually introducing younger and cheaper talent to a side.

If you buy one established player for £40m or 8 at £5m with potential, then that one player can only play one position and probably only for 3 years or so before ageing and losing value. Going the other route, not only might you unearth a gem but chances are if you are going youth with potential (and £5m per player is lets face it still a wedge of cash and should get you decent youngsters), then there is every chance you get to recoup your money and strengthen the base of your side.

Maybe this is the future plan, my biggest issue is trying to understand what plan we are trying to implement.

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Booted Eagle Bristol 11 Aug 20 11.52am
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed every club can have a bad window as they fail to sign their key targets. We seem to have had 4/5 on the trot which suggest our strategy is wrong. If we can only afford a Mondeo there is no point shopping in the Ferrari store and hoping the salesman will knock 50% of the valuation. If we don't have much money then it is better to look at cheaper targets. I would love a striker that scores 30 goals per season but unless you are incredibly lucky they are expensive. So I would settle for 2 strikers that score 10-15 goals per season each. Burnley have 3/4 strikers who just creep into double figures but it allows Dyche to rotate when they are out of form. Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2020 8.40am) Unfortunately looking at the present market and probably way into the future not having much money is not a good place to be. £20 million seems to be the amount to pay to pick up any possible quality from the Championship. Going abroad maybe cheaper but perhaps more risky due to the possibility of not settling on and off the pitch. In relation to Tekkers I could see Villa having a punt but that would probably be the last day of the window and for a lower fee, like any other possible buyer. This would obviously not help balancing the books for any other transfer dealings this window. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 11 Aug 20 11.52am

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed every club can have a bad window as they fail to sign their key targets. We seem to have had 4/5 on the trot which suggest our strategy is wrong.

If we can only afford a Mondeo there is no point shopping in the Ferrari store and hoping the salesman will knock 50% of the valuation.

If we don't have much money then it is better to look at cheaper targets. I would love a striker that scores 30 goals per season but unless you are incredibly lucky they are expensive. So I would settle for 2 strikers that score 10-15 goals per season each. Burnley have 3/4 strikers who just creep into double figures but it allows Dyche to rotate when they are out of form.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2020 8.40am)

Unfortunately looking at the present market and probably way into the future not having much money is not a good place to be. £20 million seems to be the amount to pay to pick up any possible quality from the Championship. Going abroad maybe cheaper but perhaps more risky due to the possibility of not settling on and off the pitch. In relation to Tekkers I could see Villa having a punt but that would probably be the last day of the window and for a lower fee, like any other possible buyer. This would obviously not help balancing the books for any other transfer dealings this window.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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Booted Eagle Bristol 11 Aug 20 12.07pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed every club can have a bad window as they fail to sign their key targets. We seem to have had 4/5 on the trot which suggest our strategy is wrong. If we can only afford a Mondeo there is no point shopping in the Ferrari store and hoping the salesman will knock 50% of the valuation. If we don't have much money then it is better to look at cheaper targets. I would love a striker that scores 30 goals per season but unless you are incredibly lucky they are expensive. So I would settle for 2 strikers that score 10-15 goals per season each. Burnley have 3/4 strikers who just creep into double figures but it allows Dyche to rotate when they are out of form. Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2020 8.40am) Suspect the top 6 would love a striker like that but you are spot on about a couple of 10 goal a season strikers. Ayew might well do it, scored 9 this season and if he got some better help no reason not to hit double figures this season. Hate to say it but Neil Maupay scored 10 goals last season for the Weeds . Great for competition and rotation. If the likes of Tekkers stays we really do have to get a winger in who can put a dangerous cross into the box, either in free play or corners as others have said. This QPR player, Eze does not look like this type of winger, but a Wilf type. Ryan Fraser springs too mind. Get them practicing from dawn to sunset on the training pitch as well. Edited by Booted Eagle (12 Aug 2020 11.52am) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 11 Aug 20 12.07pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed every club can have a bad window as they fail to sign their key targets. We seem to have had 4/5 on the trot which suggest our strategy is wrong.

If we can only afford a Mondeo there is no point shopping in the Ferrari store and hoping the salesman will knock 50% of the valuation.

If we don't have much money then it is better to look at cheaper targets. I would love a striker that scores 30 goals per season but unless you are incredibly lucky they are expensive. So I would settle for 2 strikers that score 10-15 goals per season each. Burnley have 3/4 strikers who just creep into double figures but it allows Dyche to rotate when they are out of form.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Aug 2020 8.40am)

Suspect the top 6 would love a striker like that but you are spot on about a couple of 10 goal a season strikers. Ayew might well do it, scored 9 this season and if he got some better help no reason not to hit double figures this season. Hate to say it but Neil Maupay scored 10 goals last season for the Weeds . Great for competition and rotation.

If the likes of Tekkers stays we really do have to get a winger in who can put a dangerous cross into the box, either in free play or corners as others have said. This QPR player, Eze does not look like this type of winger, but a Wilf type. Ryan Fraser springs too mind. Get them practicing from dawn to sunset on the training pitch as well.

Edited by Booted Eagle (12 Aug 2020 11.52am)

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hcjbrooks 11 Aug 20 2.54pm
£ 8 million for Benteke £ 30 million net for Zaha £ 40 million for Sarr I don’t think Parish will all his shortcomings would settle for those mathematics
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11 Aug 20 2.54pm

£ 8 million for Benteke £ 30 million net for Zaha £ 40 million for Sarr I don’t think Parish will all his shortcomings would settle for those mathematics

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Den1923 11 Aug 20 3.53pm
Originally posted by hcjbrooks £ 8 million for Benteke £ 30 million net for Zaha £ 40 million for Sarr I don’t think Parish will all his shortcomings would settle for those mathematics Sadly, this is the problem, his overly controlling way of running this club is the problem, whilst he has to take overall responsibility he has never learned to empower his people and I suspect DF as DoF, still has to get his approval if he wants to travel scouting players for now and for the future!
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Den1923

11 Aug 20 3.53pm

Originally posted by hcjbrooks

£ 8 million for Benteke £ 30 million net for Zaha £ 40 million for Sarr I don’t think Parish will all his shortcomings would settle for those mathematics

Sadly, this is the problem, his overly controlling way of running this club is the problem, whilst he has to take overall responsibility he has never learned to empower his people and I suspect DF as DoF, still has to get his approval if he wants to travel scouting players for now and for the future!

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 11 Aug 20 7.53pm
Nice to know an EX player (not, THAT good) stibks his oar in. [Link] This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 11 Aug 20 7.53pm

Nice to know an EX player (not, THAT good) stibks his oar in.

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This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Aug 20 9.09pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Nice to know an EX player (not, THAT good) stibks his oar in. [Link] He's just taking a break from slapping his missus. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Aug 20 9.09pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Nice to know an EX player (not, THAT good) stibks his oar in.

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He's just taking a break from slapping his missus.

Red and Blue Army!

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cryrst The garden of England 13 Aug 20 6.59am
Originally posted by ASCPFC He's just taking a break from slapping his missus. Or dogging
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cryrst

The garden of England 13 Aug 20 6.59am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

He's just taking a break from slapping his missus.

Or dogging

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Aug 20 7.28am
Originally posted by Den1923 How correct you are, for some reason we do not seem to tap in to the affordable talent that is around in the lower divisions or indeed the european markets we good player are often available at affordable prices, both Ian Wright and Jamie Vardy are proof that is so. Our problem is we have DOF who is not on the ball, he should have a a bank of player he has researched for various positions so that when there is a need we can move quickly to fill the gap or in our case gap's that are present in our squad. Our strategy seems to be firefighting at the last minute for aged bargains, sick notes or loan deals all of which are often only temporary solutions. Players like Wright and Vardy don't come along very often to be fair. Much as I have been critical of Dougie, I would also point out that when he was manager, he wanted to sign Vardy but Parish wouldn't risk the £1m fee....Leicester did... Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Aug 20 7.28am

Originally posted by Den1923

Players like Wright and Vardy don't come along very often to be fair.

Much as I have been critical of Dougie, I would also point out that when he was manager, he wanted to sign Vardy but Parish wouldn't risk the £1m fee....Leicester did...

Old, Ungifted and White

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 13 Aug 20 10.15am
Originally posted by eagleman13 Nice to know an EX player (not, THAT good) stibks his oar in. [Link] “Christian Benteke hasn’t had a decent game for five years". Not one decent game in 5 years????? It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 13 Aug 20 10.15am

Originally posted by eagleman13

Nice to know an EX player (not, THAT good) stibks his oar in.

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“Christian Benteke hasn’t had a decent game for five years". Not one decent game in 5 years?????

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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southnorwoodhill 13 Aug 20 10.23am
Benteke appears to have been Pardew and Parish's idea of a marquee signing to announce to the world Palace are in the big time. A few years down the line and it is apparent that that is a financial tactic best left to others. I had to remind myself what Cabaye cost: a mere £10m. Good players are out there, it's up to the scouting network to identify them.
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Benteke appears to have been Pardew and Parish's idea of a marquee signing to announce to the world Palace are in the big time. A few years down the line and it is apparent that that is a financial tactic best left to others. I had to remind myself what Cabaye cost: a mere £10m. Good players are out there, it's up to the scouting network to identify them.

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