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 silvertop  Portishead 28 Nov 17 9.40am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Hmmm. I'm not sure prostitution falls int that category. Encouraging people to offer their bodies up for money seems a wrong step. I see prostitution as extremely degrading and self harming. Then there is the whole exploitation element which will be hard to lose. Would we like our daughters to do it for a living? There will always be prostitution but as a society, I think we can do better than embrace it in its current form. If one needs or wants to pay for sex then it is because one is a bit of a sad case. Surely people can aspire to something better. Difficult to argue with any of this or your follow up. However, it is not called the oldest profession for nothing. You will never get rid of it. Prohibition may send out the right "signal"; but it has created an appalling criminal controlled underworld. Offer the same service, albeit under closely regulated conditions; and it will continue to exist... but in a better way. True, there will continue to be exploitation, disease, violence as well as a blossoming underworld trade in the nastier side [kids etc.]. However, it must still be better than where we are now. And they will pay tax.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 28 Nov 17 11.02am |
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The best hookers are dead ones. Besides, all women love a bit of c0ck.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 28 Nov 17 11.09am |
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For some sensible comment : I know Amsterdam hookers practice safer sex and have been educated on safer practices and use condoms. They have regular medical check-ups, and the ones that operate from shop windows are in a safer environment and much less vulnerable. Ethically, prostitution is probably wrong. But I don't know enough about hookers backgrounds to say whether they are desperate, exploited or making a working choice. Clearly some of the women I've seen working the streets in Bristol and London are vulnerable and being exploited, perhaps by pimps. It is an issue that needs regulating to remove the criminal activity associated with prostitution and to give working girls a much safer environment
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 29 Nov 17 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not sure it is about value in terms of how you are viewed but self value. Sex can be seen as a physical act only but does have more significance in terms of the psychological effect it produces. Having sex with total strangers for money must impact on emotions reserved for something more meaningful also have an impact on self esteem and self worth. For me that is harmful. I' not sure that choosing that way of life necessarily makes it a 'free' choice because it is driven by the financial demands of need or greed and can also be driven by a similar psychology to self harming, where a lack of self worth already exists. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Nov 2017 5.40pm) Question is, does it have to have psychological impact? Ideally you wouldn't have women desperate for cash turning to prostitution as a last resort but people doing so out of freedom of choice. Anecdotally there do seem to be a few of them but I think you are right the proportion is likely to be low. But don't you think there is a distinction between providing protection and legal condtions, and promotion or encouragement into that profession?
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| wordup 30 Nov 17 1.22am |
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I like Rugby as much as the next man. Wait what are we talking about here.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 3.52am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The best hookers are dead ones. Besides, all women love a bit of c0ck.
Have you been hacked! Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.53am)
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mr. apollo  Somewhere in Switzerland 30 Nov 17 7.41am |
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Legal here in Switzerland, nobody seems to have an issue with it, what is all the fuss about? Originally posted by tome
Agreed, how would you regulate it?
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 30 Nov 17 11.10am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Have you been hacked! Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.53am) Heh, yeah, personally I hoped for a grotty story from Forest involving bin liners, thin curtains and motel breakfasts.
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 30 Nov 17 11.12am |
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Originally posted by wordup
I like Rugby as much as the next man. Wait what are we talking about here. Bah, in NZ we have a hooker called Andrew Hore. Ahem. Not that you'd really make the mistake on a dark city street, you'd have to be so intoxicated you wouldn't be able to stand.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Nov 17 11.46am |
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Thing to remember with legalisation is that it doesn't solve the problem, it can only limit the impact of the problem, on those involved, and those who aren't. Its about taking back control of situations where the impact of a black market on society, have outweighed the benefits of a criminal justice solution. Ideally, a society shouldn't really need to have laws regarding drugs (specifically Heroin and crack) and prostitution, and that those that exist could be addressed and curtailed through a social approach, rather than a criminal justice one. If we legalise with the idea that alone solves the problem, we'll miss the point. We must be looking to give people in prostitution a way out, the same with drug addicts. Legalisation has to be a means to deal with a problem, not as a panacea to that problem.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 30 Nov 17 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
if somebody else wishes to do trainspotting or fly-fishing i would regard them as a bit of a sad case. But that is not an argument to criminalise them.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 17 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
if somebody else wishes to do trainspotting or fly-fishing i would regard them as a bit of a sad case. But that is not an argument to criminalise them. No, it's not and it wasn't meant to be. I do think punters should be educated as to what their little habits mean for some of the kind of girls they pay for.
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