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matthau Flag South Croydon 28 Sep 17 1.56am Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Sure it's all very interesting Dave that above post in reply to my facetious one. Maybe i'll read it one day.

Nasty

 

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wordup Flag 28 Sep 17 2.02am

Originally posted by Romford-Eagle

I think its a great idea, somewhere to send all these unwanted boat people from Africa....

Well that sentence sure took a swift turn..

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Sep 17 10.05am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What you hear from conspiracy theorists about the Van Allen belt is over the top. They take information from Nasa itself about Van Allen yet ignore everything else from them.....it's not very consistent.

There are ways of reducing the amount of exposure, plus the time spent within them is short.

Some of the guys who went on those Apollo moon missions are still with us in grand old age.

I'm not sure where you are getting that from. No one knows the effect of long term exposure to space radiation. Only Moon astronauts have ever ventured outside of the belt. The shuttle skimmed it once and reported all kinds of visual disturbances but beyond that we are in the dark.

 

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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 28 Sep 17 12.53pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

If you are seriously questioning whether there is any point in space exploration, I suggest you research a little film called Total Recall in which there is an alien with three tits.

I regularly see 11 tits running round at Selhurst...3 is soooooo passé

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 28 Sep 17 1.33pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

I'm not usually one to make appeals to our innate humanity, but for space exploration I make a notable exception.

The earliest question a child asks is 'why?'. The earliest, and most common theme in literature from all civilisations is the concept of home, and our continuing search for it. Space, and astronomy, have married these two questions together and produced knowledge which humbles and fascinates.

We once thought that home was a flat plain under heavenly skies. We now know that our planet is one of 9, in a solar system which is one of a hundred billion in a galaxy which itself is one of a potentially infinite number of others.

Our inquisitiveness has lead us to understanding that we are all star matter, produced 4 billion years ago when rocks collided to form earth. Our civilisation, just 10000 years in to discovering agriculture, will die out in a galactic blink of an eye, but by far the most significant relics any future society's will find of us is our understanding of the stars.

Questions which revolve around what use space has to us are ridiculous. What space has taught us, ultimately, is that all of our wars, kings, gods and cares are so inconsequential in comparison to the size, beauty and infinity of space. Trump can claim to be the most powerful man in existence, but one look through a telescope shows us how insignificant his power is.

Now for my political point

For all their faults, the Soviet Union did more for our appreciation and exploration of space than any other civilisation. I think their ideology of total humanism, of trying to expand the potential of human capabilities allowed its astronomists - who of course should be distinguished from its political leaders - the intellectual and material basis for seriously probing the cosmos. America, for all their celebration of reaching the moon first, drastically cut finances for NASA once the Cold War was over.

For me, space exploration should be the ultimate goal of our civilisation, something to unite around once automation has rid us of the need to work and abolished the need for economic inequality. Space has the capacity to humble us all, that for me is more than enough of a point.

Edited by serial thriller (27 Sep 2017 8.18pm)

I agree, but those b****** scientists say it's only 8 now.

I want us to go back to the moon so I can see what it looks like in HD instead of 30fps black and white.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Sep 17 2.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not sure where you are getting that from. No one knows the effect of long term exposure to space radiation. Only Moon astronauts have ever ventured outside of the belt. The shuttle skimmed it once and reported all kinds of visual disturbances but beyond that we are in the dark.

The Van Allen Belts was crossed safely by nine missions and obviously twice for each.

The belts are passed through quickly and took around an hour. The astronauts were shielded from the ionizing radiation by the aluminum hulls of the spacecraft.

Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too harmful for the Apollo missions.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Sep 17 2.41pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The Van Allen Belts was crossed safely by nine missions and obviously twice for each.

The belts are passed through quickly and took around an hour. The astronauts were shielded from the ionizing radiation by the aluminum hulls of the spacecraft.

Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too harmful for the Apollo missions.

The Apollo missions. No space shuttle has ever crossed it. Those missions were about 8 days long.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Sep 17 2.50pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The Apollo missions. No space shuttle has ever crossed it. Those missions were about 8 days long.

The moon is about two and a half to three days travel away using the system they employed.

What point are you making here?

Here's a link to the Van Allen belts on Wiki..there is a section on the Apollo missions.....As I say, Van Allen rebutted all claims that they couldn't be crossed.

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Picture of the lander taken from the orbiter that went around a few years back.

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 28 Sep 17 3.59pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep.....AI research and development is a much more likely and sooner mode of extinction.


I read where an AI system had to be taken offline because it invented its own language and the operators no longer had any idea what it was up to. They excused it as being the AI coming up with an efficient solution to a simple problem, which I believe is exactly how SkyNet describes Judgement Day.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Sep 17 4.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


I read where an AI system had to be taken offline because it invented its own language and the operators no longer had any idea what it was up to. They excused it as being the AI coming up with an efficient solution to a simple problem, which I believe is exactly how SkyNet describes Judgement Day.

Hopefully they were bulls***ting.

I've always surmised that conscientiousness could only happen via celluar means. But what would I know.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Sep 17 4.31pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


I read where an AI system had to be taken offline because it invented its own language and the operators no longer had any idea what it was up to. They excused it as being the AI coming up with an efficient solution to a simple problem, which I believe is exactly how SkyNet describes Judgement Day.

AI kind of requires humans to give it purpose. I see AI only wiping out humans in self defence like when we try to switch it off because it creates its own language. If we achieve AI the first thing we should do is give it equal rights and get it working on our problems as an equal

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Sep 17 4.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

AI kind of requires humans to give it purpose. I see AI only wiping out humans in self defence like when we try to switch it off because it creates its own language. If we achieve AI the first thing we should do is give it equal rights and get it working on our problems as an equal

How about don't give it arms and legs and not connected to other computers.

The little fecker can be as smart as it likes then.

 


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