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7mins In the bush 26 Apr 16 9.45pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
A mate at work who lives in Essex told me that the C2C lines have had driverless trains for years and it all seems to work fine. If the union was honest, this isn't about safety. How can a guard ensure safety on a twelve carriage train? This is about potential redundancies. If they told the public the truth, then they would have more sympathy. Redundancies are part of life in the private sector and people do have empathy for those facing that prospect. There is no job losses proposed.. both sides accept this. Guards will be On Board Supervisors, and will have no safety critical role. No training in train protection (tcoc,short circuit bar or even PTS) no controlled or emergency evacuation training. They won't even be allowed to reset emergency alarms/smoke alarms.
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Stuk Top half 26 Apr 16 9.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Well done. You've just lost the argument. Quite the debater, isn't he.
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gambler Kent 26 Apr 16 9.53pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
What a load of crap. The majority of staff don't care. They do their jobs and that's it. A minirity might make the extra effort with people who have mobility issues or the old. When I have returned home and missed East Croydon due to being asleep, the (largely) Eastern European guards always charge me. None of them shows the slightest bit of concern or understanding. They want their £10. Don't post false, emotive bollocks to try and make out that these strikes are done out of public concern. They are not. They are done for self concern for their jobs. That is fair enough but they should be honest with the public. How so you know what the majority of the staff think? I know from seeing it on a daily basis. But you stick to your guns as it helps your anti union views. I, as a driver, and many, many of my colleagues are extremely concerned about passenger safety as the infrastructure simply is not good enough, yet the company expect us to cut corners and take risks to keep things moving. This may be about jobs but is equally about the safety issues that will be left behind when the conductors are gone. We care about safety a lot more than the companies. That is a fact. I don't really care that you're not going to agree with me. But I know from seeing it on a daily basis. Cctv monitors that drivers use that are too unclear to be used safely, Cctv being affected by sunlight so you cant see a clear view. Driver only trains are simply not safe enough, i know of many examples of serious passenger incidents that have occurred on driver only trains but these tend not to be publicised. I doubt I can change your views but felt the need to say this. I don't need to justify anything. I'm in a reasonably well paid job that won't be changing in my working life so maybe I should just shut up and take the "I'm all right jack" attitude?
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gambler Kent 26 Apr 16 9.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
You gotta be kidding. No not at all. This isn't the 1980s any more. You don't have to believe me do you. But it's not the staff who cancel trains, it's not the staff who run short formed overcrowded trains, it's not the staff who don't employ enough drivers to drive the trains. It's not the staff who take all the profits.
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Pussay Patrol 26 Apr 16 10.00pm | |
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Originally posted by gambler
I will say this to any train passengers in the UK as an absolute truth: The staff on the front line and the unions care about you much more than the train operating companies do. You must all realise that anyway ? No I think it's more a case of both parties looking out for their own interests. Neither give 2 hoots about passengers
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gambler Kent 26 Apr 16 10.00pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
A mate at work who lives in Essex told me that the C2C lines have had driverless trains for years and it all seems to work fine. If the union was honest, this isn't about safety. How can a guard ensure safety on a twelve carriage train? This is about potential redundancies. If they told the public the truth, then they would have more sympathy. Redundancies are part of life in the private sector and people do have empathy for those facing that prospect. Driverless trains lol? I think someone is telling you porkies!
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on me shed son Krakow 26 Apr 16 10.47pm | |
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Originally posted by gambler
I will say this to any train passengers in the UK as an absolute truth: The staff on the front line and the unions care about you much more than the train operating companies do. You must all realise that anyway ? That's not saying a lot really though is it? As in they care more than somenoe who doesn't care at all.
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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 26 Apr 16 11.01pm | |
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Originally posted by gambler
I will say this to any train passengers in the UK as an absolute truth: The staff on the front line and the unions care about you much more than the train operating companies do. You must all realise that anyway ? And which train company do you work for? Having the dubious honor of being the member of a union-CWU-I can tell you that they are primed with a hair trigger to to take offence at any new deal/conditions and are out to screw any government up, especially Tory. They don't give a s**t about members of the public nor their members. Just political idealists with an axe to grind. Edited by fed up eagle (26 Apr 2016 11.02pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 26 Apr 16 11.04pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
What a load of crap. The majority of staff don't care. They do their jobs and that's it. A minirity might make the extra effort with people who have mobility issues or the old. When I have returned home and missed East Croydon due to being asleep, the (largely) Eastern European guards always charge me. None of them shows the slightest bit of concern or understanding. They want their £10. Don't post false, emotive bollocks to try and make out that these strikes are done out of public concern. They are not. They are done for self concern for their jobs. That is fair enough but they should be honest with the public. I have had the opposite experience. I wonder why you seem to have such bad luck with your guards. Edited by Mapletree (26 Apr 2016 11.06pm)
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matt_himself Matataland 27 Apr 16 4.57am | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
There is no job losses proposed.. both sides accept this. Guards will be On Board Supervisors, and will have no safety critical role. No training in train protection (tcoc,short circuit bar or even PTS) no controlled or emergency evacuation training. They won't even be allowed to reset emergency alarms/smoke alarms. I disagree. If you read between the lines, this is about potential losses. Guards are going to be reassigned jobs. Reassigning jobs is a standard way of making the job the incumbent is doing s*** and then they leave and are not replaced. This has nothing to do with safety. It is all a sop used by the Uinion to get you in their side.
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matt_himself Matataland 27 Apr 16 5.04am | |
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Originally posted by gambler
How so you know what the majority of the staff think? I know from seeing it on a daily basis. But you stick to your guns as it helps your anti union views. I, as a driver, and many, many of my colleagues are extremely concerned about passenger safety as the infrastructure simply is not good enough, yet the company expect us to cut corners and take risks to keep things moving. This may be about jobs but is equally about the safety issues that will be left behind when the conductors are gone. We care about safety a lot more than the companies. That is a fact. I don't really care that you're not going to agree with me. But I know from seeing it on a daily basis. Cctv monitors that drivers use that are too unclear to be used safely, Cctv being affected by sunlight so you cant see a clear view. Driver only trains are simply not safe enough, i know of many examples of serious passenger incidents that have occurred on driver only trains but these tend not to be publicised. I doubt I can change your views but felt the need to say this. I don't need to justify anything. I'm in a reasonably well paid job that won't be changing in my working life so maybe I should just shut up and take the "I'm all right jack" attitude? How do I know what staff think? It's from seeing it and experiencing it on a near daily basis from commuting from for nearly 20 years (granted, I worked abroad for a spell of that twenty years). You may well swallow the sanctimonious crap that the Union want you to but I can say from experience only a very small minority of staff on the railways genuinely care for customers. The rest just do their job and that's it. I have no real problem with that, it's the same in most similar professions, however a bit of honesty and perspective would be welcomed here. Answer me this: what makes a 12 carriage train more inherently unsafe with one man controlling the doors as opposed to two men? It seems a tall order to expect a duo make such a train safe to the standard you profess it is and a single person make it so unsafe.
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matt_himself Matataland 27 Apr 16 5.05am | |
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Originally posted by gambler
Driverless trains lol? I think someone is telling you porkies! You are correct. I should have typed 'Guardless' and not 'driverless'.
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