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Labours Economic Policy U Turn!


Read all about it, read all about it. Political Party does a U-turn shock...........

 


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It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power.

They've just undone a lie.

I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.


Only those who don't see that spending what you don't have is overspending. This u turn effectively admits that they'll always do this, but they've actually only done it to try and regain some favour with the jocks who have defected from them to SNP.

Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.


As i said, i don't think everyone is convinced by the rhetoric that labour is predestined to overspend and i don't think this issue will change anybodies mind.
As i pointed out, his initial agreement was qualified and so there has been no u-turn but i still don't understand why he didn't make more of the qualifications so that he could head off a situation such as this. I agree it clearly plays better to labour supporters to oppose the tories on this.

If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so.

Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off.
But let's be serious for a minute.

Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more.

There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.


I have to say i disagree. I think Corbyns challenge and his oppurtunity is if he can galvanise the 1/3 of the population who didn't vote during the GE. He has already shown a talent for politicising people who have become turned off by modern plastic politics and if he could achieve this he would be on his way. If being the operative word.

With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it.

Who knows, maybe he can ride out this current storm and a lot of stuff thrown at him, like the bin laden 'tragedy' comment is a complete and purposeful misinterpretation of what he said. He lives in age though where people are used to plastic politicians giving non answers and despite saying they want different, they don't. He gives too many straight honest answers and it creates problems for him and his party - like the 'would you press the button' stuff. If you can't get your party behind you, then you can't lead. I give him two years tops.

I wouldn't disagree that its a huge challenge top change the political culture of this country, especially when the media attacks you for everything you do & don't do. But then, no-one thought he would win the leadership so it could be possible. I agree he needs to get the PLP behind him, the party already is. A purge might be necessary.....

 

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It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power.

They've just undone a lie.

I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.


Only those who don't see that spending what you don't have is overspending. This u turn effectively admits that they'll always do this, but they've actually only done it to try and regain some favour with the jocks who have defected from them to SNP.

Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.


As i said, i don't think everyone is convinced by the rhetoric that labour is predestined to overspend and i don't think this issue will change anybodies mind.
As i pointed out, his initial agreement was qualified and so there has been no u-turn but i still don't understand why he didn't make more of the qualifications so that he could head off a situation such as this. I agree it clearly plays better to labour supporters to oppose the tories on this.

If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so.

Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off.
But let's be serious for a minute.

Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more.

There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.


I have to say i disagree. I think Corbyns challenge and his oppurtunity is if he can galvanise the 1/3 of the population who didn't vote during the GE. He has already shown a talent for politicising people who have become turned off by modern plastic politics and if he could achieve this he would be on his way. If being the operative word.

With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it.


And you actually believe this ?


Somehow this is separate from all other bare faces lies and endless electioneering that is the stuff of modern politics ?

 

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It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power.

They've just undone a lie.

I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.


Only those who don't see that spending what you don't have is overspending. This u turn effectively admits that they'll always do this, but they've actually only done it to try and regain some favour with the jocks who have defected from them to SNP.

Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.


As i said, i don't think everyone is convinced by the rhetoric that labour is predestined to overspend and i don't think this issue will change anybodies mind.
As i pointed out, his initial agreement was qualified and so there has been no u-turn but i still don't understand why he didn't make more of the qualifications so that he could head off a situation such as this. I agree it clearly plays better to labour supporters to oppose the tories on this.

If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so.

Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off.
But let's be serious for a minute.

Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more.

There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.


I have to say i disagree. I think Corbyns challenge and his oppurtunity is if he can galvanise the 1/3 of the population who didn't vote during the GE. He has already shown a talent for politicising people who have become turned off by modern plastic politics and if he could achieve this he would be on his way. If being the operative word.

With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it.


And you actually believe this ?


Somehow this is separate from all other bare faces lies and endless electioneering that is the stuff of modern politics ?

Well, i am prepared to give him a chance. I thought the way he campaigned during the leadership election did seperate him from modern politics, represented by the other 3, interesting to see if he can carry it on to effect a general change.
He has started well with his honest answer to the 'press the button' question and his appearance at PMQs. On the other hand i was disapointed that he back-tracked when it came to singing the national anthem and promised to sing it next time.


 

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Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working.

The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago.

 


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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm

Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working.

The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago.

Really...

In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer

You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used.

 


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Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 2.26pm

Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.20pm

It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power.

They've just undone a lie.

I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.


Only those who don't see that spending what you don't have is overspending. This u turn effectively admits that they'll always do this, but they've actually only done it to try and regain some favour with the jocks who have defected from them to SNP.

Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.


As i said, i don't think everyone is convinced by the rhetoric that labour is predestined to overspend and i don't think this issue will change anybodies mind.
As i pointed out, his initial agreement was qualified and so there has been no u-turn but i still don't understand why he didn't make more of the qualifications so that he could head off a situation such as this. I agree it clearly plays better to labour supporters to oppose the tories on this.

If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so.

Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off.
But let's be serious for a minute.

Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more.

There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.


I have to say i disagree. I think Corbyns challenge and his oppurtunity is if he can galvanise the 1/3 of the population who didn't vote during the GE. He has already shown a talent for politicising people who have become turned off by modern plastic politics and if he could achieve this he would be on his way. If being the operative word.

With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it.


And you actually believe this ?


Somehow this is separate from all other bare faces lies and endless electioneering that is the stuff of modern politics ?

Well, i am prepared to give him a chance. I thought the way he campaigned during the leadership election did seperate him from modern politics, represented by the other 3, interesting to see if he can carry it on to effect a general change.
He has started well with his honest answer to the 'press the button' question and his appearance at PMQs. On the other hand i was disapointed that he back-tracked when it came to singing the national anthem and promised to sing it next time.


He is cynically attempting to appeal to the lack of trust in politicians and disillusion with adversarial politics.

You are falling for it evidently.

There is no room for honesty and niceness in politics.
It is an oxymoron.

People cannot handle the truth.

 

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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm

Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working.

The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago.

Really...

In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer

You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used.

But that's not the only way of looking at it. It's not a 'draw' to have revived a corpse. It's a miracle.

 


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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 3.55pm

Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 3.23pm

Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.48pm

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Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.20pm

It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power.

They've just undone a lie.

I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.


Only those who don't see that spending what you don't have is overspending. This u turn effectively admits that they'll always do this, but they've actually only done it to try and regain some favour with the jocks who have defected from them to SNP.

Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.


As i said, i don't think everyone is convinced by the rhetoric that labour is predestined to overspend and i don't think this issue will change anybodies mind.
As i pointed out, his initial agreement was qualified and so there has been no u-turn but i still don't understand why he didn't make more of the qualifications so that he could head off a situation such as this. I agree it clearly plays better to labour supporters to oppose the tories on this.

If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so.

Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off.
But let's be serious for a minute.

Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more.

There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.


I have to say i disagree. I think Corbyns challenge and his oppurtunity is if he can galvanise the 1/3 of the population who didn't vote during the GE. He has already shown a talent for politicising people who have become turned off by modern plastic politics and if he could achieve this he would be on his way. If being the operative word.

With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it.


And you actually believe this ?


Somehow this is separate from all other bare faces lies and endless electioneering that is the stuff of modern politics ?

Well, i am prepared to give him a chance. I thought the way he campaigned during the leadership election did seperate him from modern politics, represented by the other 3, interesting to see if he can carry it on to effect a general change.
He has started well with his honest answer to the 'press the button' question and his appearance at PMQs. On the other hand i was disapointed that he back-tracked when it came to singing the national anthem and promised to sing it next time.


He is cynically attempting to appeal to the lack of trust in politicians and disillusion with adversarial politics.

You are falling for it evidently.

There is no room for honesty and niceness in politics.
It is an oxymoron.

People cannot handle the truth.

Your opinion is noted and we shall have to see how it pans out. In my defence i would point out that given his past as an outspoken left-wing firebrand if this is a cynical attempt to exploit the disillusionment of the public then he has been planing this move for over 2 decades. But, we shall both have to see. As i said, i haven't seen anything yet which would lead me to agree with you and the early signs, with relevance to his integrity, have been encouraging.

 

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Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 5.50pm

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm

Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working.

The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago.

Really...

In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer

You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used.

But that's not the only way of looking at it. It's not a 'draw' to have revived a corpse. It's a miracle.


Given the way he was presented by the press over the summer i'd say getting a 0-0 draw was a momentous achievement and an encouraging indication that the power of the printed media is on the decline.

 

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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 6.11pm

Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 5.50pm

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm

Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working.

The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago.

Really...

In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer

You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used.

But that's not the only way of looking at it. It's not a 'draw' to have revived a corpse. It's a miracle.

They haven't revived anything. They are where they were after the election. That it's a pointless time to have a poll makes it even less significant.

 


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Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 6.18pm

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 6.11pm

Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 5.50pm

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm

Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working.

The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago.

Really...

In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer

You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used.

But that's not the only way of looking at it. It's not a 'draw' to have revived a corpse. It's a miracle.


Given the way he was presented by the press over the summer i'd say getting a 0-0 draw was a momentous achievement and an encouraging indication that the power of the printed media is on the decline.


This is a telephone poll of just 1000 people, not an exit poll. Get some perspective.

 


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