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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 13 Oct 15 4.53pm | |
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Labours Economic Policy U Turn!
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ghosteagle 13 Oct 15 4.58pm | |
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Quote oldcodger at 13 Oct 2015 4.28pm
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It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power. They've just undone a lie. I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.
Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.
If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so. Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off. Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more. There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.
With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it. Who knows, maybe he can ride out this current storm and a lot of stuff thrown at him, like the bin laden 'tragedy' comment is a complete and purposeful misinterpretation of what he said. He lives in age though where people are used to plastic politicians giving non answers and despite saying they want different, they don't. He gives too many straight honest answers and it creates problems for him and his party - like the 'would you press the button' stuff. If you can't get your party behind you, then you can't lead. I give him two years tops. I wouldn't disagree that its a huge challenge top change the political culture of this country, especially when the media attacks you for everything you do & don't do. But then, no-one thought he would win the leadership so it could be possible. I agree he needs to get the PLP behind him, the party already is. A purge might be necessary.....
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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 15 5.24pm | |
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Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 4.17pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 3.55pm
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Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.48pm
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Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.20pm
It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power. They've just undone a lie. I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.
Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.
If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so. Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off. Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more. There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.
With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it.
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ghosteagle 13 Oct 15 5.39pm | |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 5.24pm
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 3.55pm
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Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.48pm
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Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.20pm
It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power. They've just undone a lie. I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.
Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.
If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so. Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off. Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more. There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.
With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it.
Well, i am prepared to give him a chance. I thought the way he campaigned during the leadership election did seperate him from modern politics, represented by the other 3, interesting to see if he can carry it on to effect a general change.
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Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 13 Oct 15 5.41pm | |
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Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working. The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago.
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Stuk Top half 13 Oct 15 5.50pm | |
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm
Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working. The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago. Really... In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used.
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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 15 6.09pm | |
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Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 5.39pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 5.24pm
Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 4.17pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 3.55pm
Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 3.23pm
Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.48pm
Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 2.26pm
Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.20pm
It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power. They've just undone a lie. I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.
Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.
If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so. Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off. Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more. There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.
With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it.
Well, i am prepared to give him a chance. I thought the way he campaigned during the leadership election did seperate him from modern politics, represented by the other 3, interesting to see if he can carry it on to effect a general change. He is cynically attempting to appeal to the lack of trust in politicians and disillusion with adversarial politics. You are falling for it evidently. There is no room for honesty and niceness in politics. People cannot handle the truth.
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Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 13 Oct 15 6.11pm | |
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Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 5.50pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm
Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working. The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago. Really... In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used. But that's not the only way of looking at it. It's not a 'draw' to have revived a corpse. It's a miracle.
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ghosteagle 13 Oct 15 6.17pm | |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 6.09pm
Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 5.39pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 5.24pm
Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 4.17pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 13 Oct 2015 3.55pm
Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 3.23pm
Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.48pm
Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 2.26pm
Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 2.20pm
It really doesn't matter. As if anyone believed Labour would curb their spending if they got back in power. They've just undone a lie. I don't think everyone was convinced by the rhetoric that Labour is predestined to overspend. It would have been better if the shadow chancellor had made his initial qualifications more overt but overall this is a reasonable move.
Also because it doesn't matter which way they vote as the Conservatives have an overall majority, so they will win the vote tomorrow. So obviously they think it looks better to their supporters to oppose the Conservatives no matter what.
If they didn't borrow and overspend then it would be the first Labour government ever not to do so. Even the socialist shining glory that is the NHS was created on borrowed money. We only recently paid it off. Do you really believe that party politics is worth a bean these days ? You have seen that promises made in manifestos are broken without blinking. It is the politics of saying what people want to hear. The global economy dictates policy more and more. There will be a bun fight for floating voters at the next election and Corbyn's election by a lot of rabid lefties will guarantee that middle England will desert Labour in their droves, That is the reality.
With regard to party politics and the tradition of breaking promises, it is again both Corbyns challenge and opportunity. He has made speeches about changing the politics of this country and it will be interesting to see if he can do it.
Well, i am prepared to give him a chance. I thought the way he campaigned during the leadership election did seperate him from modern politics, represented by the other 3, interesting to see if he can carry it on to effect a general change. He is cynically attempting to appeal to the lack of trust in politicians and disillusion with adversarial politics. You are falling for it evidently. There is no room for honesty and niceness in politics. People cannot handle the truth. Your opinion is noted and we shall have to see how it pans out. In my defence i would point out that given his past as an outspoken left-wing firebrand if this is a cynical attempt to exploit the disillusionment of the public then he has been planing this move for over 2 decades. But, we shall both have to see. As i said, i haven't seen anything yet which would lead me to agree with you and the early signs, with relevance to his integrity, have been encouraging.
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ghosteagle 13 Oct 15 6.18pm | |
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 6.11pm
Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 5.50pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm
Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working. The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago. Really... In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used. But that's not the only way of looking at it. It's not a 'draw' to have revived a corpse. It's a miracle.
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Stuk Top half 13 Oct 15 6.58pm | |
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 6.11pm
Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 5.50pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm
Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working. The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago. Really... In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used. But that's not the only way of looking at it. It's not a 'draw' to have revived a corpse. It's a miracle. They haven't revived anything. They are where they were after the election. That it's a pointless time to have a poll makes it even less significant.
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Stuk Top half 13 Oct 15 7.00pm | |
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Quote ghosteagle at 13 Oct 2015 6.18pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 6.11pm
Quote Stuk at 13 Oct 2015 5.50pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 13 Oct 2015 5.41pm
Yesterday's ICM/Guardian poll put Labour just 4% behind....so something's working. The party was totally fcuked just a couple of months ago. Really... In effect the conference season has played out to a nil-all draw, with standings exactly as they were in mid-Summer You'll find that quote at the bottom of the poll you've used. But that's not the only way of looking at it. It's not a 'draw' to have revived a corpse. It's a miracle.
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