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 Stuk  Top half 23 Sep 15 1.39pm |
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It'd be funny if the USA decided Germany had to take back the 11 million dodgy cars they sold.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Sep 15 1.53pm |
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Quote Stuk at 23 Sep 2015 1.39pm
It'd be funny if the USA decided Germany had to take back the 11 million dodgy cars they sold.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Sep 15 1.56pm |
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Quote Jimenez at 23 Sep 2015 1.53pm
Quote Stuk at 23 Sep 2015 1.39pm
It'd be funny if the USA decided Germany had to take back the 11 million dodgy cars they sold.
But still imported and sold by the Germans.
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| rob1969 Banstead Surrey 23 Sep 15 1.57pm |
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1/ True Refuges - fleeing a war zone or persecution. 2/ Economic migrants - looking for a better standard of living. These two categories need to be identified and dealt with differently.I suspect -but cannot substantiate it - that of the 100's of thousands flooding across the EU borders the majority fall into the latter category. I believe we should refuse to consider any migrants that have effectively invaded the EU and concentrate on helping the real refuges in the camps in the Middle East where the majority of the women, children & elderly refugees are.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Sep 15 2.00pm |
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Quote rob1969 at 23 Sep 2015 1.57pm
1/ True Refuges - fleeing a war zone or persecution. 2/ Economic migrants - looking for a better standard of living. These two categories need to be identified and dealt with differently.I suspect -but cannot substantiate it - that of the 100's of thousands flooding across the EU borders the majority fall into the latter category. I believe we should refuse to consider any migrants that have effectively invaded the EU and concentrate on helping the real refuges in the camps in the Middle East where the majority of the women, children & elderly refugees are.
Once someone has been identified and approved, they have full legal rights to settle in the UK for five years - and for the first months, they will be accompanied every step of the way into their new life. When they arrive in the UK, they are met at the airport by a welcome team who take them to their new home. And the next morning, their personalised integration plan begins. Just like anyone else, they can work and claim benefits. Everything about life in the UK is explained to them in briefings and classes. School places are ready for their children, there is a GP already set up to take them on and, where necessary, specialists to work on their long-term health problems. There are trips to the job centre and colleges for those ready to go back to work or study. What we need to do is get out of the freedom of movement within the EU, or we will end up taking in lots of those who have made it to other European countries.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Sep 15 2.11pm |
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Quote aquickgame2 at 23 Sep 2015 12.10pm
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Sep 2015 10.03pm
You'd think that truly desperate people would go to the nearest safe place. Yes, but you can't just leave people in a campsite indefinitely. A relevant point to consider here is that people from Syria who do make it into EU countries and claim asylum can't be sent back to Syria. I would reject the idea of quotas for migrants, but the idea of distributing refuges and asylum applicants, specifically from camps is a more controlled method, that would also serve to reduce the impact on those countries where they do turn up. The EU should maybe consider an incentive, countries that don't participate should be removed from the EU Free Movement. I notice that Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Czech republic all are quite happy with accepting the benefits of migration of their nationals into other countries. Never mind camps. Why can't any of the numerous countries outside Europe take them permanently ?
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Sep 15 2.18pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 1.01pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Sep 2015 11.57am
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Sep 2015 10.03pm
You'd think that truly desperate people would go to the nearest safe place. Yes, but you can't just leave people in a campsite indefinitely. A relevant point to consider here is that people from Syria who do make it into EU countries and claim asylum can't be sent back to Syria. I would reject the idea of quotas for migrants, but the idea of distributing refuges and asylum applicants, specifically from camps is a more controlled method, that would also serve to reduce the impact on those countries where they do turn up. The EU should maybe consider an incentive, countries that don't participate should be removed from the EU Free Movement. I notice that Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Czech republic all are quite happy with accepting the benefits of migration of their nationals into other countries. Never mind camps. Why can't any of the numerous countries outside Europe take them permanently ? Because they're presently in the EU. I believe that the UNHCR are trying to locate refugees to numerous countries. Isn't something like 250-300,000 believed to have made it into the EU, and we're all hissy about it being unfair, whilst Turkey has half a million, Lebanon has 1m and Jordan another half a million. These countries have the weather, customs and religion they are accustomed to hence the reason we are being hissy about it. I personally do not want my grandchildren and great grandchildren being brought up in a muslim dominated country I am afraid as that is what is going to happen mark my words. You have to look forward to the future to see what is happing in Europe. Belgium has realised and started to send people back from the camps and communities they set up because a lot of towns there are mostly muslims !!!
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| Canterbury Palace Whitstable 23 Sep 15 2.19pm |
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The OECD have released a study that says the UK took 558,000 migrants in 2014, the third most in the world and around 300,000 more than Spain in 4th place. Significantly it was also the third largest percentage (24%) on the previous year behind the Czech Republic and Israel. Yet apparently we don't 'do our bit'. If we were to subscribe to a truly fair system of distribution then by all rights the amount of migrants we take annually should actually drop.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Sep 15 2.28pm |
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Quote susmik at 23 Sep 2015 2.18pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 1.01pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Sep 2015 11.57am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 8.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Sep 2015 10.03pm
You'd think that truly desperate people would go to the nearest safe place. Yes, but you can't just leave people in a campsite indefinitely. A relevant point to consider here is that people from Syria who do make it into EU countries and claim asylum can't be sent back to Syria. I would reject the idea of quotas for migrants, but the idea of distributing refuges and asylum applicants, specifically from camps is a more controlled method, that would also serve to reduce the impact on those countries where they do turn up. The EU should maybe consider an incentive, countries that don't participate should be removed from the EU Free Movement. I notice that Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Czech republic all are quite happy with accepting the benefits of migration of their nationals into other countries. Never mind camps. Why can't any of the numerous countries outside Europe take them permanently ? Because they're presently in the EU. I believe that the UNHCR are trying to locate refugees to numerous countries. Isn't something like 250-300,000 believed to have made it into the EU, and we're all hissy about it being unfair, whilst Turkey has half a million, Lebanon has 1m and Jordan another half a million. These countries have the weather, customs and religion they are accustomed to hence the reason we are being hissy about it. I personally do not want my grandchildren and great grandchildren being brought up in a muslim dominated country I am afraid as that is what is going to happen mark my words. You have to look forward to the future to see what is happing in Europe. Belgium has realised and started to send people back from the camps and communities they set up because a lot of towns there are mostly muslims !!! Ignoring the fact that you're assuming somehow that being Muslim is somehow a bad thing, and the fact that Muslims make up only 5% of the population and would require a monumental effort to achieve majority status in two generations (and the fact that those fleeing Syria are generally fleeing from Islamists trying to take over a largely secular nation). What about the non-Muslim refugees from Syria?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 Sep 15 2.29pm |
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Let me say that we shouldn't mistake protecting our own country for a lack of care for others. The two are not mutually exclusive. I commend the posters on here who wish only to do the right thing. I for one hate to see people genuinely suffering through no fault of their own. Unfortunately when people come here for what ever reason, they bring their problems, prejudices and religious dogma with them. Already we see this on our streets. (We have already discussed the wide range of associated issues to death). Their issues are slowly becoming ours as a nation. There is a lot at stake here in the longer term and this is what some choose to turn a blind eye to. Clearly there needs to be a better system in place for dealing with these kind of crisis with all civilized countries signing up to it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Sep 2015 2.30pm)
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| chris123 hove actually 23 Sep 15 2.35pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 2.28pm
Quote susmik at 23 Sep 2015 2.18pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 1.01pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Sep 2015 11.57am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Sep 2015 8.55am
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Sep 2015 10.03pm
You'd think that truly desperate people would go to the nearest safe place. Yes, but you can't just leave people in a campsite indefinitely. A relevant point to consider here is that people from Syria who do make it into EU countries and claim asylum can't be sent back to Syria. I would reject the idea of quotas for migrants, but the idea of distributing refuges and asylum applicants, specifically from camps is a more controlled method, that would also serve to reduce the impact on those countries where they do turn up. The EU should maybe consider an incentive, countries that don't participate should be removed from the EU Free Movement. I notice that Poland, Romania, Hungary and the Czech republic all are quite happy with accepting the benefits of migration of their nationals into other countries. Never mind camps. Why can't any of the numerous countries outside Europe take them permanently ? Because they're presently in the EU. I believe that the UNHCR are trying to locate refugees to numerous countries. Isn't something like 250-300,000 believed to have made it into the EU, and we're all hissy about it being unfair, whilst Turkey has half a million, Lebanon has 1m and Jordan another half a million. These countries have the weather, customs and religion they are accustomed to hence the reason we are being hissy about it. I personally do not want my grandchildren and great grandchildren being brought up in a muslim dominated country I am afraid as that is what is going to happen mark my words. You have to look forward to the future to see what is happing in Europe. Belgium has realised and started to send people back from the camps and communities they set up because a lot of towns there are mostly muslims !!! Ignoring the fact that you're assuming somehow that being Muslim is somehow a bad thing, and the fact that Muslims make up only 5% of the population and would require a monumental effort to achieve majority status in two generations (and the fact that those fleeing Syria are generally fleeing from Islamists trying to take over a largely secular nation). What about the non-Muslim refugees from Syria?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Sep 15 2.39pm |
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Quote Canterbury Palace at 23 Sep 2015 2.19pm
The OECD have released a study that says the UK took 558,000 migrants in 2014, the third most in the world and around 300,000 more than Spain in 4th place. Significantly it was also the third largest percentage (24%) on the previous year behind the Czech Republic and Israel. Yet apparently we don't 'do our bit'. If we were to subscribe to a truly fair system of distribution then by all rights the amount of migrants we take annually should actually drop. Of those around 25,000 were via Asylum/Refugees. Around 125,000 British citizens left the UK long term or permanently, along with about another 200,000 non-UK citizens. There is a problem, but its not with refugees and asylum cases, but with economic migration. Some 42% of the UK's migration is made up from economic migration under the EU's Right to Work policy. We need to reduce the numbers of people coming here to work, definitely, by around 200k a year.
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