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Tom-the-eagle  Croydon 28 Aug 15 9.25pm |
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Quote Catfish at 28 Aug 2015 8.32pm
Can I just say to those callous people who take this lightly that I have met many, many hundreds of people who are illegally here or who have claimed asylum. Except in a handful of cases they are very harmless individuals looking to better themselves in the way that you might do in similar circumstances. There are good reasons for maintaining an immigration control but it does not mean that those who break the rules deserve to be regarded as less than human. Being an illegal immigrant is not crime of the century. Incidentally, this is not the first time this has happened. Dozens of Chinese people died in the back of a refrigerated van at Dover in the early 2000s. I don’t think anybody is suggesting these people were "less than human" it’s just some of us just don’t give a sh@t. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (28 Aug 2015 9.26pm)
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Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere. They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm)
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 28 Aug 15 9.38pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm
Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere. They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm) Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit
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| Kermit8 Hevon 28 Aug 15 9.44pm |
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.25pm
Quote Catfish at 28 Aug 2015 8.32pm
Can I just say to those callous people who take this lightly that I have met many, many hundreds of people who are illegally here or who have claimed asylum. Except in a handful of cases they are very harmless individuals looking to better themselves in the way that you might do in similar circumstances. There are good reasons for maintaining an immigration control but it does not mean that those who break the rules deserve to be regarded as less than human. Being an illegal immigrant is not crime of the century. Incidentally, this is not the first time this has happened. Dozens of Chinese people died in the back of a refrigerated van at Dover in the early 2000s. I don’t think anybody is suggesting these people were "less than human" it’s just some of us just don’t give a sh@t. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (28 Aug 2015 9.26pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 28 Aug 15 9.54pm |
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.38pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm
Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere. They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm) Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit
As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 28 Aug 15 9.57pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.44pm
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Quote Catfish at 28 Aug 2015 8.32pm
Can I just say to those callous people who take this lightly that I have met many, many hundreds of people who are illegally here or who have claimed asylum. Except in a handful of cases they are very harmless individuals looking to better themselves in the way that you might do in similar circumstances. There are good reasons for maintaining an immigration control but it does not mean that those who break the rules deserve to be regarded as less than human. Being an illegal immigrant is not crime of the century. Incidentally, this is not the first time this has happened. Dozens of Chinese people died in the back of a refrigerated van at Dover in the early 2000s. I don’t think anybody is suggesting these people were "less than human" it’s just some of us just don’t give a sh@t. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (28 Aug 2015 9.26pm)
Your hunch is correct Kermit, but only if they play by the rules.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Aug 15 10.29pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm
Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere. They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm)
I'm not sure that this extends to giving them homes in our country. We can't house our own.....And the hundreds of thousands of net migrants that come here.....With full on lefty support despite the harm that it does to working class people needing homes that are already here. The left have been deserted by the working class and they fully deserve it.
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 7.17pm
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 6.43pm
Just don't feel anything over this. Call me heartless, maybe I am, but there are enough people in the world with all kinds of troubles to feel sorry for a bunch of law breakers.
I'd like to think that what sets the rest of us above the heathens of this World is that we can show some humanity even if we do not approve of the people concerned. Not celebrating Hrolf, just genuinely could not give a f@uck about them. I can tell you what I do care about, pensioners who have worked all their life but can’t afford to put on the heating, couples who both work full time, pay their taxes, but still can’t afford to buy their own homes, people who have contributed to society all their life but now have to wait months for an important operation, parents who live in one room with their child because there are no social houses available, etc etc etc etc, these are the things I care about Hrolf, not a bunch of criminals. I’m not celebrating mate – just non plus. It is true that we are all becoming a bit desensitised to human tragedy since we seem to be exposed to so much of it these days in the media, but I can't help feeling that we are all becoming less human as a result. Humans are capable of adapting to any conditions of course for self preservation but losing sympathy for others is a high price to pay. It diminishes us all.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 28 Aug 15 11.01pm |
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Aug 2015 10.53pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 7.17pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 28 Aug 2015 7.01pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 6.43pm
Just don't feel anything over this. Call me heartless, maybe I am, but there are enough people in the world with all kinds of troubles to feel sorry for a bunch of law breakers.
I'd like to think that what sets the rest of us above the heathens of this World is that we can show some humanity even if we do not approve of the people concerned. Not celebrating Hrolf, just genuinely could not give a f@uck about them. I can tell you what I do care about, pensioners who have worked all their life but can’t afford to put on the heating, couples who both work full time, pay their taxes, but still can’t afford to buy their own homes, people who have contributed to society all their life but now have to wait months for an important operation, parents who live in one room with their child because there are no social houses available, etc etc etc etc, these are the things I care about Hrolf, not a bunch of criminals. I’m not celebrating mate – just non plus. It is true that we are all becoming a bit desensitised to human tragedy since we seem to be exposed to so much of it these days in the media, but I can't help feeling that we are all becoming less human as a result. Humans are capable of adapting to any conditions of course for self preservation but losing sympathy for others is a high price to pay. It diminishes us all.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 28 Aug 15 11.04pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Aug 2015 10.29pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm
Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere. They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm)
I'm not sure that this extends to giving them homes in our country. We can't house our own.....And the hundreds of thousands of net migrants that come here.....With full on lefty support despite the harm that it does to working class people needing homes that are already here. The left have been deserted by the working class and they fully deserve it.
And since when did the housing market become so untouchable as to take precedence over the actual needs of millions of the country's citizens? Since about 1983 that's when and the reversal of social housing stock.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 28 Aug 15 11.13pm |
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G Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.57pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.44pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.25pm
Quote Catfish at 28 Aug 2015 8.32pm
Can I just say to those callous people who take this lightly that I have met many, many hundreds of people who are illegally here or who have claimed asylum. Except in a handful of cases they are very harmless individuals looking to better themselves in the way that you might do in similar circumstances. There are good reasons for maintaining an immigration control but it does not mean that those who break the rules deserve to be regarded as less than human. Being an illegal immigrant is not crime of the century. Incidentally, this is not the first time this has happened. Dozens of Chinese people died in the back of a refrigerated van at Dover in the early 2000s. I don’t think anybody is suggesting these people were "less than human" it’s just some of us just don’t give a sh@t. Edited by Tom-the-eagle (28 Aug 2015 9.26pm)
Your hunch is correct Kermit, but only if they play by the rules.
My other hunch - if you'll indulge me - is that if you were amongst a group of Syrians and heard their genuine plights then you'd be wishing them the very best of luck in their search for a life be it here or anywhere else in Europe. I could be wrong on that one I know
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Aug 15 12.26am |
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Got to agree that in general Levantines are cracking people by anyone's standards. The great sadness is the volume and constancy of desperate stories. In the end you do have to put the dreadfulness of it all to the back of your mind or it would eat you alive. Thank goodness - for now - it isn't us.
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