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legaleagle Flag 25 Aug 15 12.14am

.Only Tories work hard then?

 

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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 25 Aug 15 2.50am

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Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.38pm

But Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in the 1930's went all over and didn't just end up next door in Poland or France and they weren't called migrants.


I'm not sure that taking refuge in Poland or France would have been a good strategy for them.


Quite a few though thought it would be. That didn't work out well for them at all.

I'm currently studying the treatment of enemy aliens during WW2 (internment and all that jazz) for my dissertation. The story of refugees who escaped to France is just terrible. Having made such a dangerous journey, and having once had hope, they often ended back where they came from, or worse. But in the years leading up to WW2 there were decent vetting processes conducted by the various refugee bodies which had sprung up. They testified to the character and integrity of individuals and were responsible for their welfare. We have no such official, semi-official, or voluntary infrastructure to deal with the issues facing us today.

Many have recently contrasted out present hard-nosed attitude with our willingness to take in huge numbers during the refugee crisis of the '30s. Such comparisons are invalid. Where we once had systems of security and sound knowledge of the backgrounds of such people, we now have none. And as it was back then, the trojan horse threat is real. All too real.


The approach in tne30s was possibly unique in that the Home Office effectively devolved the decision making to a consortium of refugee charities. The arrangement was very discreet and allowed a lot of discretion behind the scenes. I am sure you have already discovered them but, just in case, suggest looking up Tony Kushner, Louise London and AJ Sherman.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Aug 15 3.11am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 25 Aug 2015 12.14am

.Only Tories work hard then?

You're on this board all the time Legal.

 


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sa_eagle Flag Just outside Cape Town 25 Aug 15 7.21am Send a Private Message to sa_eagle Add sa_eagle as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 4.56pm

It's obvious the Syrians that are fleeing are refugees not migrants yet they don't seem to be allowed that title by the media and we are following their lead by lumping them in with others who are heading to Europe but who are not being persecuted.

Someone somewhere is manipulating emotive language to suit certain agendas. Something is going on.

Remember reading an article last year about a Yale or maybe Harvard grad - can't remember his name annoyingly - in the US who heads up a team who work on a mission to confuse the media and world opinion to such an extent that no one is quite clear about what is really going on anymore.

One of Murdoch's kids by any chance because that's what his family are about.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Aug 15 7.24am

Quote legaleagle at 24 Aug 2015 11.29pm

Its also worth bearing in mind when talking about refugees from Syria,that there is very much a widespread "burden" rather than,as might be thought at times here,they're all heading to the EU or within the EU,the UK.

According the the UNHCR,2.2 million are registered by UNHCR in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon, and 1.8 million Syrians have been registered by the Government of Turkey.

Taking the latest European figures, in 2014 122,115 Syrians applied for aslyum in the EU,of which 2.410 were in the UK.

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Don't let facts get in the way of good old scaremongering legal.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Aug 15 7.25am

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The Vietnamese boat people seem to have been accepted and have integrated ok in many places.


That's mainly because they have the 'tory' gene and are hard working and have entrepreneurial flair...


I think it takes flair to get to Calais with little or no money

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Aug 15 7.41am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The 'open door' or pro 'liberalised immigration' advocates on the left lost this argument in Britain a long time ago.

Still, you can find them on here selling their unwanted ideological wares to people.

The opinion polls on immigration don't lie.

In the 2013 British Social Attitudes survey....A majority endorsed reducing immigration. Indeed, over 56% chose 'reduced a lot', while 77% chose either 'reduced a lot' or 'reduced a little'.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 25 Aug 15 8.05am

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 7.41am

The 'open door' or pro 'liberalised immigration' advocates on the left lost this argument in Britain a long time ago.

Still, you can find them on here selling their unwanted ideological wares to people.

The opinion polls on immigration don't lie.

In the 2013 British Social Attitudes survey....A majority endorsed reducing immigration. Indeed, over 56% chose 'reduced a lot', while 77% chose either 'reduced a lot' or 'reduced a little'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Aug 2015 7.44am)

True, and I generally agree with them, except I wouldn't class Asylum as immigration, but a necessity of humane society. It can't just be left to the 'first country' they arrive in, or the neighbour states either - it needs to be a cohesive, centralised and organised solution, that is fair to all countries.


 


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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 25 Aug 15 8.11am

Numbers of immigrants masquerade as 'asylum seekers' or refugees to gain access to European countries.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 25 Aug 15 8.26am

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Numbers of immigrants masquerade as 'asylum seekers' or refugees to gain access to European countries.

Yes, but that doesn't mean we cannot help genuine refugees. Maybe if we didn't rely on waiting until they arrived in the country we could really reduce that problem.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Aug 15 8.36am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 Aug 2015 8.05am

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 7.41am

The 'open door' or pro 'liberalised immigration' advocates on the left lost this argument in Britain a long time ago.

Still, you can find them on here selling their unwanted ideological wares to people.

The opinion polls on immigration don't lie.

In the 2013 British Social Attitudes survey....A majority endorsed reducing immigration. Indeed, over 56% chose 'reduced a lot', while 77% chose either 'reduced a lot' or 'reduced a little'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Aug 2015 7.44am)

True, and I generally agree with them, except I wouldn't class Asylum as immigration, but a necessity of humane society. It can't just be left to the 'first country' they arrive in, or the neighbour states either - it needs to be a cohesive, centralised and organised solution, that is fair to all countries.


It's all about the numbers to me.

My main concern is less about non EU immigration because we genuinely have tight but sensible rules concerning it.

As you know, my beef is about 'freedom of movement' as a concept within a EU that is trying to build its own version of the states.

In terms of non EU migrants of whatever type, asylum or economic...I've always agreed with the concept of asylum but it has to be carried out with sense......I'd be worried about the security aspects of inevitably taking in infiltrators ........It's a no brainer for terrorist groups.

The next few years are not going to be fun on the EU mainland and maybe here, where some innocent people are perhaps going to have to pay the price for a little human decency with their lives.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Aug 2015 8.39am)

 


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legaleagle Flag 25 Aug 15 8.50am

And asylum was granted by the UK to 14,065 people in 2014...less per head of population than Luxembourg.The USA had 121,200 asylum applications.

In the UK in 2014 refugees, "stateless" people and and people who had applied for asylum but not yet had applications determined made up 0.24% of the population.

86% of the world's refugees are hosted by "developing" countries.

Which rather puts it into perspective.

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