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doi209 Flag Fighting for the weak and innocent... 28 Jul 15 4.46pm Send a Private Message to doi209 Add doi209 as a friend

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Quote Part Time James at 24 Jul 2015 3.01pm

There's one thing more annoying than people on TV pronouncing it "Rowt". It's my girlfriend yelling "Route" back at the TV. I manage to keep it in my head, she doesn't need to say it out loud. You do the math.


People who 'math' and not 'maths'.

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Quote Part Time James at 24 Jul 2015 3.01pm

There's one thing more annoying than people on TV pronouncing it "Rowt". It's my girlfriend yelling "Route" back at the TV. I manage to keep it in my head, she doesn't need to say it out loud. You do the math.

Tell us about your girlfriend.

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I thank you.


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I'm very appreciative.

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Scucca Flag Ely 28 Jul 15 5.30pm Send a Private Message to Scucca Add Scucca as a friend

I'd like to enquire when it became inquire?

 

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GlaziertoEagle Flag Coventry 28 Jul 15 5.36pm Send a Private Message to GlaziertoEagle Add GlaziertoEagle as a friend

I lived in America some years ago and route (in the American pronunciation) was one of the words that grated on me the most. Everyone I knew said it this way and had no idea what I was saying when I used the English 'root'.

The other word I always hated hearing was leisure, pronounced similar to lesion... ughh.

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Joe Bloggs Flag Nr Norwich 28 Jul 15 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Joe Bloggs Add Joe Bloggs as a friend

What do the yanks call the wood working tool that cuts grooves and various shapes?

None of it is as bad as soccer or as bad as calling a game were players wear helmets and only rarely kick with their feet "football"

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 29 Jul 15 10.42am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Not an Americanism but why do so many people (including on HOL) say "I for one" when the latter two words are largely redundant

 

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cpfcarcher Flag Crouch End 29 Jul 15 10.51am Send a Private Message to cpfcarcher Add cpfcarcher as a friend

or when did "oblige" become "obligate"?

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I'd like to enquire when it became inquire?


 


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lambsandwich Flag Gillingham 29 Jul 15 10.53am Send a Private Message to lambsandwich Add lambsandwich as a friend

My eldest daughter recently told me that my youngest needed her diaper changed. Sent her to her room

 


I don't mean to sound bitter, cold or cruel, but I am so that's how it comes out

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Quote lambsandwich at 29 Jul 2015 10.53am

My eldest daughter recently told me that my youngest needed her diaper changed. Sent her to her room


Too much American TV does that. My 15 year old son refers to blokes as dudes

 

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Great Northern Loony Flag Saint Paul 29 Jul 15 12.13pm Send a Private Message to Great Northern Loony Add Great Northern Loony as a friend

Quote PalazioVecchio at 24 Jul 2015 11.35am

you will have noticed the americans all say Route to rhyme with trout. But the song about 'route 66' clearly pronounces it the british way.

computers now communicate through a router , which sounds like grouter.

so was there a meeting ? was there a vote ? when is the latest reference you got to Route, and when the earliest to Trout ?


If there was a vote, it didn't happen on OUR side of the Atlantic.

From the very British elocutionist John Walker's 'A Critical Pronouncing Dictionary and Expositor of the English Language, To Which Are Prefixed Principles of English Pronunciation Rules to Be Observed By the Natives of Scotland, Ireland and London' (1791):

ROUTE, rout, or root, s. Road, way.

Upon a more accurate observation of the best usage here I must give the preference to the first sound of this word, notwithstanding its coincidence in sound with another word of a different meaning; the fewer French sounds of this diphthong we have in our language, the better; nor does there appear to be any necessity for retaining the final 'e' ... Mr. Scott gives both sounds, but seems to prefer the first. W. Johnston, Dr. Kenrick and Mr. Perry pronounce both alike, and with the first sound.

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Rather hard to argue with that logic. But I dunno, maybe you guys like sounding as French as possible these days. A sad state of affairs for The Empire if true. I blame the Chunnel.

For the record, however, Americans pronounce it both ways, and with a slight plurality favoring your 'root' pronunciation. Generally speaking, 'root' is dominant on the US East Coast, and the further west you go in the country the more likely you are to hear it pronounced 'rowt' -- which is probably why you think we all pronounce it that way, since most American TV shows are produced on the West Coast.

A lot of Americans even pronounce it interchangeably -- depending, I suppose, whether or not there's enough Englishmen nearby to irritate -- and there's also a small but determined minority (including myself) who pronounce the noun form of the word 'root' and the verb form of it 'rowt'.

 

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Great Northern Loony Flag Saint Paul 29 Jul 15 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Great Northern Loony Add Great Northern Loony as a friend

Also, you lot are the ones who came up with 'soccer', not us. It's not really the kind of word Americans would invent; left to our own devices we would have probably come up with something like 'awesomeball', 'whack-a-goal' or 'extreme lacrosse'.

But make no mistake, 'soccer' is all you, John Bull. And as far as I can tell you were perfectly fine with it until a couple of generations ago when you accidentally heard someone say it in an American accent, and you've been all colicky over it ever since.

 

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doi209 Flag Fighting for the weak and innocent... 29 Jul 15 1.10pm Send a Private Message to doi209 Add doi209 as a friend

Quote Joe Bloggs at 28 Jul 2015 5.53pm

What do the yanks call the wood working tool that cuts grooves and various shapes?

None of it is as bad as soccer or as bad as calling a game were players wear helmets and only rarely kick with their feet "football"


Chisel

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