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Tunisia Terrorism - It's time to get tough
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 davenotamonkey  26 Jun 15 9.33pm |
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Quote TUX at 26 Jun 2015 8.55pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Jun 2015 5.11pm
This is like a cancer. At some point we've got to "treat" it. Up to now we've been applying plasters. Hit 'em hard and take no prisoners. Also for the boat people.... station warships off the coast and turn back all boats laden with refugees and so called asylum seekers. Deal with traffickers and smash their boats. Sounds harsh, but we've no room or resources to look after these people. If necessary we need to take over these rogue states and return them to normality. ISIS and other terrorist groups are just exploiting a vacuum and causing unrest which motivates normal people to want to flee and seek refuge in Europe. If we ignore this it won't go away. We caused it. Oh get a grip you pillock. It is the rampant dissemination of wahhabist/salafist teaching, bankrolled by saudi money that is "causing it". But while you're busy wringing your hands and being a west-loathing pathetic apologist, more and more heads will be cut off, more and more bodies riddled with bullets. People like you make me sick: yes, we invaded Iraq (and against my personal wishes too), but how long are you going to stretch the hyperbole to link it as the driver for every atrocity that subsequently occurs in the middle east? It's wrong, it's intellectually bankrupt, and it makes you look like a fool.
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| legaleagle 26 Jun 15 9.33pm |
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Quote TUX at 26 Jun 2015 9.21pm
Quote legaleagle at 26 Jun 2015 9.07pm
Post 9/11 the "war on terror" was used as an excuse to invade Iraq (whose regime ,however despicable,was nothing to do with salafist jihadism) and we screwed up with no coherent post toppling Saddam strategy.. "We have also manipulated lots of things overseas for our own ends for a long time. You reap what you sow. But, I do not buy the line that that intervention in Iraq explains or justifies people all over the place now (in the name sometimes of ISIS) but in many cases being a "local group" that has decided to "affiliate" either genuinely or for PR,whether in Tunisia, Nigeria,pakistan or France. In so much as "the west" has any blame of this type,I think it relates more to the crazy short termism of the US (supported by the UK) having encouraged ,armed and supported "salafist jihadis" in about early 80's when they wanted them to topple the regime in Afghanistan.That,and turning a blind eye (for profit) to countries like Saudi spreading the pernicious influence of this strain of salafism globally by spreading the underpinning ideology through massive funding of mosques and religious education worldwide. This strain of salafist jihadism is an evil political ideology.We are not blameless.But,an argument of whose interests does it suit that today's incident in Tunisia (and the one in France? and the ones in France earlier this year)took place and will take place again,or an argument its somehow all to be blamed on Iraq and/or us/The US,is miles off and too simplistic IMO. Answers? Complex and multi faceted and I wouldn't claim to be able to trot them out. I would think a starting point is to try to properly understand one's "enemy" to work out how to counter it,and how to counter it without driving a whole load more people into its arms who wouldn't otherwise go there.Short-termism has got "us" into enough trouble already.The desire for a knee jerk response may be understandable but is not always the best long term bet. They rule us. Edit: But that's just my opinion. Edited by TUX (26 Jun 2015 9.22pm) Its like the plight of the Jews 1933-45 under the Nazis being attributable to "those who rule us",by which I presume you may mean "central bankers" or "the Fed" (if I'm wrong apologies) . Central bankers/The Fed are problematic.But,they don't control and manipulate everything in the world to a micro-degree. "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean no one is watching me" is a true saying IMO. However it doesn't also necessarily mean I am not also excessively paranoid in an OTT way. Edit: Just another opinion. Edited by legaleagle (26 Jun 2015 9.35pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Jun 15 9.46pm |
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Matt Johnson got it right all them years ago...
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| martin2412 Living The Dream 26 Jun 15 10.18pm |
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Quote TUX at 26 Jun 2015 8.06pm
Quote martin2412 at 26 Jun 2015 1.45pm
We have to stop fannying about. We need to get in and start wiping this scum off the earth. Modern day Nazis, except now everyone who's not a muslim is a 'Jew' The West created the ''scum''. Even if that were true, that means it's ok for them to slaughter thousands of innocents then ? They're setting people alight in cages, chopping people's heads off. They're pure scum and need wiping out. It's about time the politicians stopped talking and started doing something else.
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| Hoof Hearted 27 Jun 15 10.03am | |
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Quote TUX at 26 Jun 2015 8.55pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Jun 2015 5.11pm
This is like a cancer. At some point we've got to "treat" it. Up to now we've been applying plasters. Hit 'em hard and take no prisoners. Also for the boat people.... station warships off the coast and turn back all boats laden with refugees and so called asylum seekers. Deal with traffickers and smash their boats. Sounds harsh, but we've no room or resources to look after these people. If necessary we need to take over these rogue states and return them to normality. ISIS and other terrorist groups are just exploiting a vacuum and causing unrest which motivates normal people to want to flee and seek refuge in Europe. If we ignore this it won't go away. We caused it. We didn't. The Middle East has been a hotbed of warlords, mad mullahs and crazy dictators since the dawn of time. Our first attempt to sort them out was led by Richard the Lionheart. The only problem with our actions previously is that we did not go far enough. Like a garden full of weeds we have allowed the roots to regenerate. Smash the fcuk out of them and carry on doing it until there is no one left to preach hate and make everyone's life a misery. I repeat... it will not go away. Events like that in Tunisia yesterday will become more commonplace and even more brutal.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 27 Jun 15 10.24am |
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Quote davenotamonkey at 26 Jun 2015 9.33pm
Quote TUX at 26 Jun 2015 8.55pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Jun 2015 5.11pm
This is like a cancer. At some point we've got to "treat" it. Up to now we've been applying plasters. Hit 'em hard and take no prisoners. Also for the boat people.... station warships off the coast and turn back all boats laden with refugees and so called asylum seekers. Deal with traffickers and smash their boats. Sounds harsh, but we've no room or resources to look after these people. If necessary we need to take over these rogue states and return them to normality. ISIS and other terrorist groups are just exploiting a vacuum and causing unrest which motivates normal people to want to flee and seek refuge in Europe. If we ignore this it won't go away. We caused it. Oh get a grip you pillock. It is the rampant dissemination of wahhabist/salafist teaching, bankrolled by saudi money that is "causing it". But while you're busy wringing your hands and being a west-loathing pathetic apologist, more and more heads will be cut off, more and more bodies riddled with bullets. People like you make me sick: yes, we invaded Iraq (and against my personal wishes too), but how long are you going to stretch the hyperbole to link it as the driver for every atrocity that subsequently occurs in the middle east? It's wrong, it's intellectually bankrupt, and it makes you look like a fool. Bang on the money. Nail on Head. Absobloominglutley. Fcukin A right, Correct Answer, Bullseye,Bingo, Home run. You Sir have got it dead on,knocked it for for six, got it right and pinned the tail on the donkey. I doff my cap.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 15 10.47am |
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I agree that we are reaping what we sow, but now is not the time for told you so's. However, as for a solution that doesn't further exacerbate the problem...
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| PassDribbleShoot London 27 Jun 15 11.25am |
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I feel a little numb by the atrocities in Sousse. I was there with my family for a week's break last year and really enjoyed it. To see so many lose their life is incredibly sad and that these Islamists with their own convenient and warped ideology are causing so much harm. Very little can be done. Isis grow stronger. The attacks they plan are getting bolder and I fear that something similar could happen here in the UK. It might get to the stage that we have to revoke citizenship from those who choose to leave the country and travel to the Islamic Caliphate. Probably opens up a legal minefield but that's something I would suggest. Edited by PassDribbleShoot (27 Jun 2015 11.26am)
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| Alexi_the_Eagle Newton-le-Willows 27 Jun 15 11.32am |
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Quote TUX at 26 Jun 2015 8.55pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 26 Jun 2015 5.11pm
This is like a cancer. At some point we've got to "treat" it. Up to now we've been applying plasters. Hit 'em hard and take no prisoners. Also for the boat people.... station warships off the coast and turn back all boats laden with refugees and so called asylum seekers. Deal with traffickers and smash their boats. Sounds harsh, but we've no room or resources to look after these people. If necessary we need to take over these rogue states and return them to normality. ISIS and other terrorist groups are just exploiting a vacuum and causing unrest which motivates normal people to want to flee and seek refuge in Europe. If we ignore this it won't go away. We caused it. Tell that to the families of the victims murdered in Tunisia and to the family of the man murdered in France.
"Look at that. Accident blackspot? These aren't accidents! They're throwing themselves into the road gladly! Throwing themselves into the road to escape all this hideousness!" |
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| matthau South Croydon 27 Jun 15 11.33am |
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the answer is everyone has to smoke dmt or drink ayahuasca. ...if only they could spray the stuff from planes. instant world peace.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 15 11.41am |
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My thoughts go out to all the family and friends of those who have lost their lives.So sad. And of course I have not forgotten those who were injured and those who we caught up in this despicable, cowardly and barbaric act. Edited by Willo (27 Jun 2015 11.42am)
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corkery  Cork City 27 Jun 15 12.40pm |
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I'm sure all this will cause problems for the EUs proposals on the immigrants in Italy.
We'll never die |
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