If I remember correctly a couple of posters suggested that a couple of pipe bombs were left inside the capitol building during the 6th.

The implication being to enforce the inaccurate depiction of those who 'stormed' the building as 'terrorists'.....even though video shows them calmly walking into the building past standing security. No one was armed, no violence took place inside the building.

Still....'domestic terrorists'.

I looked into these pipe bomb claims....turns out they were left outside the capitol building, and not inside it. So the principle victims of these bombs would be the protestors not those inside the building.

The FBI also think that these are connected to pipe bombs left outside both the Republican and Democrat HQs.

Hardly very 'Trump'.....and it reads more like an attempt to accelerate violence from those happy for deaths from either side.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jan 2021 3.28pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Also when this happened Biden and Harris held a press conference where they claimed that if these demonstrators in the Capitol building had been black they would have been repelled with much more force than the one death dealt out by Capitol security.

I myself was sent a photo by a poster showing military standing outside the Capitol building during the Blm/antifa riots earlier last year....which the Democrats wouldn't condemn.

Well, the black Panthers did actually 'storm' the capitol building back in the supposedly dark times of 1967 and unlike on the 6th they were armed to the teeth.

Number of blacks killed clearing the Capitol building.....Zero.

In a meritocratic society you'd expect leaders to come with some knowledge of history, but this is America in 2020.

Oh and a word about the unarmed and non violent woman killed by Capitol security. She was called Ashli Babbitt and she has been ignored and even demonised by the press.

If this had been a left wing demonstration, her name would be known throughout the world.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jan 2021 3.34pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

There is a large whiff of "whataboutery" coming from this post! So let's be clear. Using violence for political purposes is totally unacceptable. Whether it comes from the left or the right doesn't matter.

Susan Rosenberg doesn't appear to have changed her political views but her 16 years in prison do seem to have altered her views on violence as a means of achieving them. She now rejects it completely. Perhaps in 16 years from now some of those involved last week will also reject violence. Being locked up for that long tends to make you think a bit. Growing older does too. For most of us.

Why Clinton decided to pardon her remains unclear but she had already served a long sentence and expressed remorse. Something neither Flynn, Mannafort or Stone have done. The idea that the Democrats "love her" is nonsense.

However, this is all beside the point. Susan Rosenberg deserved being caught and punished and she was. The difference between what she and her associates did and what happened last week is in the context.

They acted on their own initiative in support of extreme political views. They didn't though have a President providing them justification through repeated false rhetoric about election fraud. Stirring emotions in people already prone to believe conspiracies by encouraging them to "Stop the Steal" and dignifying their "rally" by addressing it, was bad enough. What was worse was what Trump failed to say. He didn't call for calm and encourage only peaceful protest. Only in the last days has he made any kind of speech worthy of a President. A speech that has all the hallmarks of being prepared for him.

In subsequent posts you make the point that violence has always been part of US politics as though that is some kind of justification for what has happened, or might still happen. Violence has been part of the development of pretty much every society, including our own. Civilised democratic societies learn, adapt and modernise as they progress and reject violence as they do. That includes us and the USA, although some there seem not to want to accept that fact.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Is the Sussex Police Chief that confiscated all our knives and knuckledusters at the Andrex a couple of years back taking a sabbatical in Washington DC at the moment?

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Maybe the sky is falling in but not in the predicted way

Probably there buying extra knee pads from the Democrats.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)