This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
2020 US Presidential Election. (LOCKED)
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
 Stirlingsays  14 Jan 21 9.23am |
   |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by DanH
Deemed more worthy of ridicule by him than any Q post so far. Eye opening. Sure, if Trump somehow magically had a second term that would be a better thing for the west. Aside from the degeneracy and indoctrination being increased, the economy worsened and civil liberties reduced. A Biden term is going to see a far stronger and emboldened China which has many scary consequences.....even in the short term. Even so while 'Q' isn't going to happen and you lot think it's crazy I find the idea that Romney would lead the Republican party again almost as unrealistic....Let's call it 'R'. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jan 2021 9.34am)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
 Alert a moderator to this post |
 |
| matthau South Croydon 14 Jan 21 10.19am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by DanH
I have no issue with you posting this Q stuff but telling people to invest in something, no matter how small, is totally wrong. Was just trying to help. Sorry you see it that way. No worries
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| matthau South Croydon 14 Jan 21 10.20am |
|
|---|---|
|
I’ll hang about but I won’t mention any more Q stuff.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| matthau South Croydon 14 Jan 21 10.21am |
|
|---|---|
|
Here’s a good article
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Mapletree Croydon 14 Jan 21 10.24am |
|
|---|---|
|
Is it about pussy cats and puppies? With photos? If not I shan't bother thanks.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 14 Jan 21 10.37am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by The Dolphin
Speaking on zoom to two American friends last night and they are extremely worried about everything there right now. I read an interesting analysis of the Parler takedown last night. It seems they started to be warned by Amazon in November about the type of users and posts on the platform... even more interestingly apparently there was a 20,000+ backlog of user flagged posts for moderation. And that was then. So it had been building already and this probably was the straw that broke the camels back. This is the issue with social media of any kind – it always comes down to human moderation. Even twitter and Facebook (hence your point about there still being hate content on twitter). The difference is they have tens of thousands of moderators, whereas indies like Parler and probably Gab are most likely drowning in backlogs. Although I doubt Gab care about moderation from what I've read TBH. For a platform that hosts on servers like AWS that have rules, that's game over. For Gab, it can keep going without really worrying about it as it has it's own server system. Also important to note that there are a wider range of users on twitter, facebook etc. so that sort of hate content gets diluted against normies talking dross about their cats. Parler and Gab not only have far more lax moderation rules/basically no moderation but they also have a high concentration of one type of group within their user base. That only leads to one outcome.
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 14 Jan 21 10.39am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Badger11
I read an article yesterday (sorry can't remember where) I am never a fan of banning people and you have to ask why Facebook etc. are so offended by the idiot Trump and yet allow real dictators airtime and for those countries to censor social media. Excellent point
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 14 Jan 21 10.55am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by The Dolphin
Speaking on zoom to two American friends last night and they are extremely worried about everything there right now. And also on the 'March in peace' thing – you're right, most of what he said in the speech was not particularly incendiary. And it's a ridiculously long speech BTW. I would have fallen asleep, so kudos to those it whipped up into a frenzy. 'Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you, we’re going to walk down, we’re going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.' I think this is the bit they're all leaning on though, and, ultimately, if you're going to play to a hardcore set of followers with a provocative, factually absent and lengthly speech about vote rigging, corruption, fake news and then say this, you're naive if you don't think some of that hardcore aren't going to get heavy. 'And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.'
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 21 10.56am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by The Dolphin
Speaking on zoom to two American friends last night and they are extremely worried about everything there right now. Let's just pick some of those assertions apart shall we? Firstly neither Twitter, nor the other tech companies have "shut everything Republican down". Republicans can still post, make groups and say whatever they like, provided they don't spread clear misinformation, hatred or incite violence. Jack Dorsey, Twitter's owner, made a long statement expressing regret over the need to do this last night but explained it was essential in the present circumstances. You can find his words here:- One quote though is worth highlighting "A company making a business decision to moderate itself is different from a government removing access, yet can feel much the same". So secondly, this has nothing at all to do with politicians, whether they be Democrats or Republicans. If anyone at all was behaving in the same way then whatever their politics they risk removal. So those on the right need to stop playing the victim card and examine what is actually happening and why. If what you suggest is true, and I haven't seen it, then posters making threats towards Trump supporters will also be removed. There will always be an odd nutcase but what has been seen from the Trump base is like a Tsunami of threats and actual violence compared to a ripple on a pond from the Democratic side. The idea that the next 4 years will be worse in this regard than the last is laughable, as it could hardly be any worse. But let's see. The words that Trump spoke last Weds, taken on their own, could probably be presented by a skilled lawyer as benign. He didn't though say to go in peace. He told them to fight. They won't though be taken on their own. They are part of a pattern which has existed for years and become more potent in recent months. They will be seen in their context and all the previous remarks put into that context. At the very least he has a case to answer.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 14 Jan 21 11.14am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
And also on the 'March in peace' thing – you're right, most of what he said in the speech was not particularly incendiary. And it's a ridiculously long speech BTW. I would have fallen asleep, so kudos to those it whipped up into a frenzy. 'Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you, we’re going to walk down, we’re going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.' I think this is the bit they're all leaning on though, and, ultimately, if you're going to play to a hardcore set of followers with a provocative, factually absent and lengthly speech about vote rigging, corruption, fake news and then say this, you're naive if you don't think some of that hardcore aren't going to get heavy. 'And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.'
It's no different here...Trump not accepting the election is being crowbarred into 'incitement'. The Democrats will continual to obsess on Trump.......making their 'healing' waffle look precisely that...waffle. Democrats have been making incendiary statements for years now...27 people died during months of rioting in their cities....Hell, Biden only the other day compared Cruz and co to Nazis. But people will see what they want to see. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jan 2021 11.15am)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 21 11.18am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure, if Trump somehow magically had a second term that would be a better thing for the west. Aside from the degeneracy and indoctrination being increased, the economy worsened and civil liberties reduced. A Biden term is going to see a far stronger and emboldened China which has many scary consequences.....even in the short term. Even so while 'Q' isn't going to happen and you lot think it's crazy I find the idea that Romney would lead the Republican party again almost as unrealistic....Let's call it 'R'. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jan 2021 9.34am) Perhaps I am not so cynical about the Republicans as you. Not Trump's base, which has held the Republican Party hostage for the past few years, but those many good and honourable people, like John McCain, who once the shackles are released can really speak their minds. Think Jeff Flake. Mitt Romney was the only Republican Senator with enough integrity and bravery to vote for the first impeachment. If, as I predict, the gulf between Trump and the GOP rapidly becomes an unbridgeable chasm, then he is likely to play a leading role. If not as the king, then as a kingmaker. Trump's base will still exist of course and there will be those who will try to harness it to their own horses. It won't be ignored because it matters but I don't think it will be allowed to dominate again. They've tried that. It failed.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 14 Jan 21 11.24am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Perhaps I am not so cynical about the Republicans as you. Not Trump's base, which has held the Republican Party hostage for the past few years, but those many good and honourable people, like John McCain, who once the shackles are released can really speak their minds. Think Jeff Flake. Mitt Romney was the only Republican Senator with enough integrity and bravery to vote for the first impeachment. If, as I predict, the gulf between Trump and the GOP rapidly becomes an unbridgeable chasm, then he is likely to play a leading role. If not as the king, then as a kingmaker. Trump's base will still exist of course and there will be those who will try to harness it to their own horses. It won't be ignored because it matters but I don't think it will be allowed to dominate again. They've tried that. It failed. The good thing about this is that it is time measurable. So like your continual and insistent claims about Russia-gate on these forums we also get to see this prediction on the GOP's direction also fail. The common sense reality of the next GOP leader is that they can't afford to be anti Trump.....They will try to move on and take his base with them. That's why you mentioning Romney was so laughable....Those who hold the knife don't get to stay as leaders. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jan 2021 11.27am)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / RegisterNew users
Registration is now on our new message board
Existing users
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
Sponsors
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.