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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 19 Mar 24 10.23pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Previously, on the 'wicked-tories' thread, you asked for details of how taxes could be cut. Along with the number of ways that I listed, I should have included scrapping the TV Licence fee, which would save £3.8 billion a year. The BBC would still have to be paid for, unless you want to scrap that too, when even more would need to be spent on other services, some ending up in Murdoch’s pocket.
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 georgenorman 19 Mar 24 10.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The BBC would still have to be paid for, unless you want to scrap that too, when even more would need to be spent on other services, some ending up in Murdoch’s pocket. The BBC would have to raise money itself, like other media providers.
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Teddy Eagle  19 Mar 24 11.00pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t agree. The BBC continues to provide a very valuable service to us directly and for us indirectly. The last thing we want to impose on them is control by the government of the day and their revenue dependant on them. They must never become, or be perceived to be, a mouthpiece of the government. Nor must they be reliant on advertising for their revenue and all the baggage that brings. They must be free of outside influences of every kind. If those purchasing a licence continues to decline then I can see it being merged with the broadband contracts most of us have, with the licence remaining available for those without. The value is purely subjective. I don't see the value in paying the BBC so I can watch other providers.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Mar 24 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Is that not though the result of the changes to the way programs are delivered? There’s so much more choice these days. Sky has captured cricket and most football so you no longer can watch it live for the cost of the licence. Netflix and all the other streaming services take a goodly share, alongside YouTube. Alongside that is this. We spend much more of our time online these days than watching TV. I too watch far less and when I do it’s rarely live, but via the iPlayer. So the BBC must adapt to its new environment or perish. I think it is trying hard to do just that. I tend to watch live TV - just a traditionalist I guess. Don't want to bore everyone with why I'm not that interested in bingeing series' or anything like that. I kind of wonder am I relatively typical in not watching BBC that much anymore - despite watching it a lot previously? It sounds like you have your reasons not to watch it. Mine are more about the programming rather than anything else. From a personal viewpoint I'm not that interested in their content anymore. I don't watch their news either, yet used to - I find it disarmingly similar to Sky News which I also don't watch. I don't even bother much with things like Eggheads anymore, The Chase seems better. I used to love University Challenge but it's not the same without Gascoigne or Paxman. Mostly I find their changes are for the worse.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Mar 24 9.09am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The value is purely subjective. I don't see the value in paying the BBC so I can watch other providers. I am sure that somewhere an objective analysis of the value of the BBC to the British economy is made. A value that depends on it remaining free from outside influences and therefore that it is essential to ensure its funding model doesn’t compromise that. You are not therefore paying the BBC to watch others. You are paying to protect the independence of a vital British asset. It’s an essential part of our identity. How we convince the cynical is the problem.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Mar 24 9.11am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I tend to watch live TV - just a traditionalist I guess. Don't want to bore everyone with why I'm not that interested in bingeing series' or anything like that. I kind of wonder am I relatively typical in not watching BBC that much anymore - despite watching it a lot previously? It sounds like you have your reasons not to watch it. Mine are more about the programming rather than anything else. From a personal viewpoint I'm not that interested in their content anymore. I don't watch their news either, yet used to - I find it disarmingly similar to Sky News which I also don't watch. I don't even bother much with things like Eggheads anymore, The Chase seems better. I used to love University Challenge but it's not the same without Gascoigne or Paxman. Mostly I find their changes are for the worse. It’s personal choice. And aging! Comes to us all far too quickly I’m afraid.
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| eaglesdare 20 Mar 24 10.06am |
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- BBC is prepared to spout mistruths without bothering to check its sources
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| Badger11 Beckenham 20 Mar 24 10.59am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
- BBC is prepared to spout mistruths without bothering to check its sources "Setting yourself up for a fail." By creating a Verify unit with articles showing a green circle they run the risk of looking stupid when they get it wrong. In the old days when the BBC cocked up they could simply trot out the usual "journalist error", or "mistakes were made lessons have been learned", "no deliberate intention to mislead" etc. Once you had a dedicated fact checking unit though if they are found to have missed something or worse lied then this actually does more reputational damage and the excuses become even hollower. Now where's the popcorn.
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| Teddy Eagle 20 Mar 24 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am sure that somewhere an objective analysis of the value of the BBC to the British economy is made. A value that depends on it remaining free from outside influences and therefore that it is essential to ensure its funding model doesn’t compromise that. You are not therefore paying the BBC to watch others. You are paying to protect the independence of a vital British asset. It’s an essential part of our identity. How we convince the cynical is the problem. It's not cynical to say that most of their programming is rubbish.
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| Runningman Keston 20 Mar 24 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t think that is totally correct. Classics in their own right certainly but there was always an element of parody making political points. Making us laugh and think at the same time. Especially with the likes of Benny Hill and Alf Garnett. It’s still there today. Have you ever seen Mrs Brown’s Boys? Social change is always with us anyway. Mrs Brown’s Boys ! I’d rather have piles than watch that crap.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Mar 24 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am sure that somewhere an objective analysis of the value of the BBC to the British economy is made. A value that depends on it remaining free from outside influences and therefore that it is essential to ensure its funding model doesn’t compromise that. You are not therefore paying the BBC to watch others. You are paying to protect the independence of a vital British asset. It’s an essential part of our identity. How we convince the cynical is the problem.
This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise. |
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| eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 20 Mar 24 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am sure that somewhere an objective analysis of the value of the BBC to the British economy is made. A value that depends on it remaining free from outside influences and therefore that it is essential to ensure its funding model doesn’t compromise that. You are not therefore paying the BBC to watch others. You are paying to protect the independence of a vital British asset. It’s an essential part of our identity. How we convince the cynical is the problem. Wrong answer, Yes, you HAVE to pay to watch others because the bbc doesn't like people not watching them. The only cynic, is you. Blinkered, un-accepting of others point o view/belief because it doesn't align with yours. What a sad world you must live in . . . #defundthebbc Edited by eagleman13 (20 Mar 2024 3.33pm)
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