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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 18 Jan 22 7.29pm
Originally posted by Phil’s Barber Beth Rigby is in no position whatsoever to question anybody over the breach of COVID regulations. The hypocrisy of it! That shouldn"t stop her getting the honour on bungles watch!
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Any european country i fancy! 18 Jan 22 7.29pm

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

Beth Rigby is in no position whatsoever to question anybody over the breach of COVID regulations. The hypocrisy of it!

That shouldn"t stop her getting the honour on bungles watch!

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BlueJay UK 18 Jan 22 7.40pm
Originally posted by the.universal Anyone still defending Boris after his continued lying and f* ups….what would it actually take for you to criticise him? The Narcissist's Prayer** That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault <- Here atm And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
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UK 18 Jan 22 7.40pm

Originally posted by the.universal

Anyone still defending Boris after his continued lying and f*** ups….what would it actually take for you to criticise him?

The Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault <- Here atm
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

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BlueJay UK 18 Jan 22 7.44pm
Originally posted by cryrst Well if Labour get in and covid reappears you might have a rethink about how bad its been! Grass ain't always greener as the USA is finding out. This government wasn't great at dealing with covid, though admittedly I think it would've looked bad with any party in power. It's one of those situations where peoples only comparison is a prior world without covid and so whatever strategy was employed will always look like it's failed.
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UK 18 Jan 22 7.44pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Well if Labour get in and covid reappears you might have a rethink about how bad its been! Grass ain't always greener as the USA is finding out.

This government wasn't great at dealing with covid, though admittedly I think it would've looked bad with any party in power. It's one of those situations where peoples only comparison is a prior world without covid and so whatever strategy was employed will always look like it's failed.

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Jan 22 7.51pm
Originally posted by BlueJay This government wasn't great at dealing with covid, though admittedly I think it would've looked bad with any party in power. It's one of those situations where peoples only comparison is a prior world without covid and so whatever strategy was employed will always look like it's failed. So why all the popping at hmg. That's pretty hypocritical bj. It's all about covid ironically mate. Look at the decent position GB is in and ally it to the guess work of how bad brexit should have been. I look to me and mine and all others are secondary. That is politics!!!
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The garden of England 18 Jan 22 7.51pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

So why all the popping at hmg. That's pretty hypocritical bj.
It's all about covid ironically mate.
Look at the decent position GB is in and ally it to the guess work of how bad brexit should have been. I look to me and mine and all others are secondary. That is politics!!!

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Stirlingsays 18 Jan 22 9.18pm
Johnson with his 'no one told me the parties were against the rules' reveals a deeper truth behind how government works. People see Johnson and SAGE fronts on the telly and they assume that the buck stops with Johnson and him alone because that's how the system wants Joe Public to think. However, what's more true....and what Cummings wanted to change....is that institutions like the civil service control the system much more. Indeed, even above them the unelected global capital via corporations, banks and bodies exact much more influence than the normie is told.....Which is that Johnson is more a front....He could be more like Thatcher, as in forcing more control....but the reality is he's more interested in being Boris. The system is just as dishonest as the Chinese one.....though thankfully our ancestors believed in far more freedom within it....something their current versions are throwing away as if it were a poisoned chalice. I think part of Brexit was an implicit recognition and rejection of this oversized globalised control.....a desire to level the balance of power somewhat. Many Brexiteers have been disappointed at how unwilling Johnson has actually been to see through the implication of Brexit and instead he and his chums have 'reinterpret' Brexit in terms that most pleases globalism. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jan 22 9.18pm

Johnson with his 'no one told me the parties were against the rules' reveals a deeper truth behind how government works.

People see Johnson and SAGE fronts on the telly and they assume that the buck stops with Johnson and him alone because that's how the system wants Joe Public to think.

However, what's more true....and what Cummings wanted to change....is that institutions like the civil service control the system much more. Indeed, even above them the unelected global capital via corporations, banks and bodies exact much more influence than the normie is told.....Which is that Johnson is more a front....He could be more like Thatcher, as in forcing more control....but the reality is he's more interested in being Boris.

The system is just as dishonest as the Chinese one.....though thankfully our ancestors believed in far more freedom within it....something their current versions are throwing away as if it were a poisoned chalice.

I think part of Brexit was an implicit recognition and rejection of this oversized globalised control.....a desire to level the balance of power somewhat. Many Brexiteers have been disappointed at how unwilling Johnson has actually been to see through the implication of Brexit and instead he and his chums have 'reinterpret' Brexit in terms that most pleases globalism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jan 22 10.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Johnson with his 'no one told me the parties were against the rules' reveals a deeper truth behind how government works. People see Johnson and SAGE fronts on the telly and they assume that the buck stops with Johnson and him alone because that's how the system wants Joe Public to think. However, what's more true....and what Cummings wanted to change....is that institutions like the civil service control the system much more. Indeed, even above them the unelected global capital via corporations, banks and bodies exact much more influence than the normie is told.....Which is that Johnson is more a front....He could be more like Thatcher, as in forcing more control....but the reality is he's more interested in being Boris. The system is just as dishonest as the Chinese one.....though thankfully our ancestors believed in far more freedom within it....something their current versions are throwing away as if it were a poisoned chalice. I think part of Brexit was an implicit recognition and rejection of this oversized globalised control.....a desire to level the balance of power somewhat. Many Brexiteers have been disappointed at how unwilling Johnson has actually been to see through the implication of Brexit and instead he and his chums have 'reinterpret' Brexit in terms that most pleases globalism. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm) That was depressingly predictable. The Tories were always going to support globalism despite winning the election by being pro Brexit, but Corbyn's Labour selling out for votes was truly shameful.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Johnson with his 'no one told me the parties were against the rules' reveals a deeper truth behind how government works.

People see Johnson and SAGE fronts on the telly and they assume that the buck stops with Johnson and him alone because that's how the system wants Joe Public to think.

I think part of Brexit was an implicit recognition and rejection of this oversized globalised control.....a desire to level the balance of power somewhat. Many Brexiteers have been disappointed at how unwilling Johnson has actually been to see through the implication of Brexit and instead he and his chums have 'reinterpret' Brexit in terms that most pleases globalism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm)

That was depressingly predictable. The Tories were always going to support globalism despite winning the election by being pro Brexit, but Corbyn's Labour selling out for votes was truly shameful.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jan 22 10.26pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That was depressingly predictable. The Tories were always going to support globalism despite winning the election by being pro Brexit, but Corbyn's Labour selling out for votes was truly shameful. It's enough to turn you to drink And I have quite a lot of left over Christmas booze to get though.....but as I'm on these antibiotics I can't touch it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jan 22 10.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That was depressingly predictable. The Tories were always going to support globalism despite winning the election by being pro Brexit, but Corbyn's Labour selling out for votes was truly shameful.

It's enough to turn you to drink

And I have quite a lot of left over Christmas booze to get though.....but as I'm on these antibiotics I can't touch it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Matov 19 Jan 22 3.35am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Johnson with his 'no one told me the parties were against the rules' reveals a deeper truth behind how government works. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm) Only thing it reveals is that the man has to go. These were HIS rules. From the Government he is meant to be leading. Its a shocking admission. Somebody needs to pull the metaphorical trigger asap. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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19 Jan 22 3.35am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Johnson with his 'no one told me the parties were against the rules' reveals a deeper truth behind how government works.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm)

Only thing it reveals is that the man has to go. These were HIS rules. From the Government he is meant to be leading. Its a shocking admission.

Somebody needs to pull the metaphorical trigger asap.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Jan 22 7.07am
Originally posted by Matov Only thing it reveals is that the man has to go. These were HIS rules. From the Government he is meant to be leading. Its a shocking admission. Somebody needs to pull the metaphorical trigger asap. ^^ ditto ^^ He was never going to do the honourable thing. It was always going to be a long and drawn-out political death, compromising as many colleagues as possible on his way out. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Matov

Only thing it reveals is that the man has to go. These were HIS rules. From the Government he is meant to be leading. Its a shocking admission.

Somebody needs to pull the metaphorical trigger asap.

^^ ditto ^^

He was never going to do the honourable thing. It was always going to be a long and drawn-out political death, compromising as many colleagues as possible on his way out.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Stirlingsays 19 Jan 22 7.09am
Originally posted by Matov Only thing it reveals is that the man has to go. These were HIS rules. From the Government he is meant to be leading. Its a shocking admission. Somebody needs to pull the metaphorical trigger asap. Johnson is awful. However I'd be genuinely surprised to see him go......The plain fact is that the Tories don't have anyone else out there with election winning talent. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

19 Jan 22 7.09am

Originally posted by Matov

Only thing it reveals is that the man has to go. These were HIS rules. From the Government he is meant to be leading. Its a shocking admission.

Somebody needs to pull the metaphorical trigger asap.

Johnson is awful.

However I'd be genuinely surprised to see him go......The plain fact is that the Tories don't have anyone else out there with election winning talent.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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BlueJay UK 19 Jan 22 9.09am
Odds update. Now 3/10 to go this year, so by no means a certainty, but the tide is turning against him somewhat. I think his position is approaching untennable, but at the same time who exactly is there to replace him? Rishi Sunak is currently clear favourite!?
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UK 19 Jan 22 9.09am

Odds update. Now 3/10 to go this year, so by no means a certainty, but the tide is turning against him somewhat.

I think his position is approaching untennable, but at the same time who exactly is there to replace him? Rishi Sunak is currently clear favourite!?

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Jan 22 9.20am
Originally posted by BlueJay Odds update. Now 3/10 to go this year, so by no means a certainty, but the tide is turning against him somewhat. I think his position is approaching untennable, but at the same time who exactly is there to replace him? Rishi Sunak is currently clear favourite!? You Lefties are so desperate that you cling on to this low importance nonsense while the country needs to focus on far more important issues. We don't need a leadership battle when the Russians are about to invade the Ukraine, Covid is ongoing, and there are a pile of other significant issues to tackle. The very same people in the Tory party who are apparently trying to oust Johnson might suffer the most from his departure. Labour are not fit for government, and we should just ignore the noise from their side of the house. This is the same party who voted against Brexit to get votes. They have no principles or credibility, so it is laughable to hear them criticize Johnson on his.
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Hrolf The Ganger

19 Jan 22 9.20am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Odds update. Now 3/10 to go this year, so by no means a certainty, but the tide is turning against him somewhat.

I think his position is approaching untennable, but at the same time who exactly is there to replace him? Rishi Sunak is currently clear favourite!?

You Lefties are so desperate that you cling on to this low importance nonsense while the country needs to focus on far more important issues.
We don't need a leadership battle when the Russians are about to invade the Ukraine, Covid is ongoing, and there are a pile of other significant issues to tackle.
The very same people in the Tory party who are apparently trying to oust Johnson might suffer the most from his departure. Labour are not fit for government, and we should just ignore the noise from their side of the house. This is the same party who voted against Brexit to get votes. They have no principles or credibility, so it is laughable to hear them criticize Johnson on his.

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