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Stirlingsays 09 Jan 19 4.08pm
'Indigenous people' 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jan 19 4.08pm

'Indigenous people'

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Croydon 09 Jan 19 4.19pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You need to explain this as it makes no sense without context. There are far more 'indigenous' people for starters and how exactly do illegals and other assorted immigrants pay more tax? They have been here five minutes and many are in low paid jobs. Show us the data. Nah, can't be bothered Disprove my assertions
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Croydon 09 Jan 19 4.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You need to explain this as it makes no sense without context.
There are far more 'indigenous' people for starters and how exactly do illegals and other assorted immigrants pay more tax? They have been here five minutes and many are in low paid jobs.

Show us the data.

Nah, can't be bothered

Disprove my assertions

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becky over the moon 09 Jan 19 4.22pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I agree with number 1 but remember the asylum process is pretty thorough. It is before successfully completing that process where there is an issue. But number 2 I have previously opined upon. If you want to move your family you send a man first. Women are in real danger on the journey. It only takes one member of the family to successfully claim asylum for the rest of the nuclear family to be allowed to join that person in the UK. Regarding 3, immigrants historically are far less demanding on the NHS and on housing than indigenous people but pay more on average in taxes. So it is they that are funding the established population. We need to adjust the system to the demand they bring, they easily pay for themselves. And they are also highly over-represented in NHS employees. Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 3.50pm) Most of the early (historically) immigrants were also members of communities that were monogamous - now we have to find social housing for every wife and welfare payments (as a single parent)for 2nd, 3rd and 4th ones - at least they can now only claim child benefit for 2 each. Take an awful lot of tax contribution to cover that though. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 09 Jan 19 4.22pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I agree with number 1 but remember the asylum process is pretty thorough. It is before successfully completing that process where there is an issue.

But number 2 I have previously opined upon. If you want to move your family you send a man first. Women are in real danger on the journey. It only takes one member of the family to successfully claim asylum for the rest of the nuclear family to be allowed to join that person in the UK.

Regarding 3, immigrants historically are far less demanding on the NHS and on housing than indigenous people but pay more on average in taxes. So it is they that are funding the established population. We need to adjust the system to the demand they bring, they easily pay for themselves. And they are also highly over-represented in NHS employees.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 3.50pm)

Most of the early (historically) immigrants were also members of communities that were monogamous - now we have to find social housing for every wife and welfare payments (as a single parent)for 2nd, 3rd and 4th ones - at least they can now only claim child benefit for 2 each. Take an awful lot of tax contribution to cover that though.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Stirlingsays 09 Jan 19 4.25pm
Well, this ground has actually been gone over on the forums. If you take all immigrants they cost the state more than they bring in, but less than the British people themselves.....but that's because of the average age of the two groups. If you take only those from the EU there's a small net gain. If you take only the non EU they are.....predictably very expensive. Guess out of these two sets of immigrants which ones are more likely to leave. This country is fecked long term. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 4.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jan 19 4.25pm

Well, this ground has actually been gone over on the forums.

If you take all immigrants they cost the state more than they bring in, but less than the British people themselves.....but that's because of the average age of the two groups.

If you take only those from the EU there's a small net gain.

If you take only the non EU they are.....predictably very expensive.

Guess out of these two sets of immigrants which ones are more likely to leave.

This country is fecked long term.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 4.31pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 09 Jan 19 4.29pm
Originally posted by becky Most of the early (historically) immigrants were also members of communities that were monogamous - now we have to find social housing for every wife and welfare payments (as a single parent)for 2nd, 3rd and 4th ones - at least they can now only claim child benefit for 2 each. Take an awful lot of tax contribution to cover that though. Are you saying that people are claiming asylum and then bringing in multiple wives, each of whom needs a separate home which is paid for by the State? Wow, I never knew. I thought the asylum requirements were that you can bring in people that lived with the successful asylum claimant in the home country so I don't really see how that can be. But I guess you know your facts Becky. I blame the Mormons Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 4.30pm)
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Croydon 09 Jan 19 4.29pm

Originally posted by becky

Are you saying that people are claiming asylum and then bringing in multiple wives, each of whom needs a separate home which is paid for by the State? Wow, I never knew. I thought the asylum requirements were that you can bring in people that lived with the successful asylum claimant in the home country so I don't really see how that can be. But I guess you know your facts Becky.

I blame the Mormons

Edited by Mapletree (09 Jan 2019 4.30pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jan 19 4.44pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Nah, can't be bothered Disprove my assertions So basically, what you said was unsubstantiated codswallop and a figment of your fluffy ideology addled mind?
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Originally posted by Mapletree

Nah, can't be bothered

Disprove my assertions

So basically, what you said was unsubstantiated codswallop and a figment of your fluffy ideology addled mind?

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Mapletree Croydon 09 Jan 19 4.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, this ground has actually been gone over on the forums. If you take all immigrants they cost the state more than they bring in, but less than the British people themselves.....but that's because of the average age of the two groups. If you take only those from the EU there's a small net gain. If you take only the non EU they are.....predictably very expensive. Guess out of these two sets of immigrants which ones are more likely to leave. This country is fecked long term. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 4.31pm) You have ommitted to mention that newer immigrants have a higher propensity to add positively than longer standing immigrants. This thread is about current migration.
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Croydon 09 Jan 19 4.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, this ground has actually been gone over on the forums.

If you take all immigrants they cost the state more than they bring in, but less than the British people themselves.....but that's because of the average age of the two groups.

If you take only those from the EU there's a small net gain.

If you take only the non EU they are.....predictably very expensive.

Guess out of these two sets of immigrants which ones are more likely to leave.

This country is fecked long term.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 4.31pm)

You have ommitted to mention that newer immigrants have a higher propensity to add positively than longer standing immigrants. This thread is about current migration.

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Mapletree Croydon 09 Jan 19 5.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So basically, what you said was unsubstantiated codswallop and a figment of your fluffy ideology addled mind? It isn't ideology that addles my mind. It's that fresh Addiscombe air. Which, by the way, was heavily affected by the Purley Way fire.
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Croydon 09 Jan 19 5.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So basically, what you said was unsubstantiated codswallop and a figment of your fluffy ideology addled mind?

It isn't ideology that addles my mind. It's that fresh Addiscombe air. Which, by the way, was heavily affected by the Purley Way fire.

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steve1984 09 Jan 19 5.02pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, this ground has actually been gone over on the forums. If you take all immigrants they cost the state more than they bring in, but less than the British people themselves.....but that's because of the average age of the two groups. If you take only those from the EU there's a small net gain. If you take only the non EU they are.....predictably very expensive. Guess out of these two sets of immigrants which ones are more likely to leave. This country is fecked long term. To his credit, Stirling pointed out that whilst it's true that immigrants tend be younger and more economically active and so help to pay for the care of our ageing population in a few years time they'll be old and we'll need to bring a bunch of teenage Eskimos or some such to pay for them. So where does it all end? He's right of course. Which is why I found Theresa's new 10 year plan for the NHS so amusing as it majors on prevention. The idea being that we stop people from getting heart disease and cancer by keeping them healthier. Call me old fashioned but the only way to really help the NHS (without spending serious money) would be to take all of the unhealthy tossers to a quarry somewhere and shoot them. Otherwise you're just kicking the can, which seems to be Theresa's preferred option for most things. Edited by steve1984 (09 Jan 2019 5.08pm)
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steve1984 09 Jan 19 5.02pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, this ground has actually been gone over on the forums.

If you take all immigrants they cost the state more than they bring in, but less than the British people themselves.....but that's because of the average age of the two groups.

If you take only those from the EU there's a small net gain.

If you take only the non EU they are.....predictably very expensive.

Guess out of these two sets of immigrants which ones are more likely to leave.

This country is fecked long term.

To his credit, Stirling pointed out that whilst it's true that immigrants tend be younger and more economically active and so help to pay for the care of our ageing population in a few years time they'll be old and we'll need to bring a bunch of teenage Eskimos or some such to pay for them. So where does it all end?

He's right of course.

Which is why I found Theresa's new 10 year plan for the NHS so amusing as it majors on prevention. The idea being that we stop people from getting heart disease and cancer by keeping them healthier.

Call me old fashioned but the only way to really help the NHS (without spending serious money) would be to take all of the unhealthy tossers to a quarry somewhere and shoot them. Otherwise you're just kicking the can, which seems to be Theresa's preferred option for most things.

Edited by steve1984 (09 Jan 2019 5.08pm)

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Stirlingsays 09 Jan 19 5.16pm
Originally posted by steve1984 To his credit, Stirling pointed out that whilst it's true that immigrants tend be younger and more economically active and so help to pay for the care of our ageing population in a few years time they'll be old and we'll need to bring a bunch of teenage Eskimos or some such to pay for them. So where does it all end? He's right of course. Which is why I found Theresa's new 10 year plan for the NHS so amusing as it majors on prevention. The idea being that we stop people from getting heart disease and cancer by keeping them healthier. Call me old fashioned but the only way to really help the NHS (without spending serious money) would be to take all of the unhealthy tossers to a quarry somewhere and shoot them. Otherwise you're just kicking the can, which seems to be Theresa's preferred option for most things. Edited by steve1984 (09 Jan 2019 5.08pm) Pretty much. Na....the hope is that automation is the solution to the too many 'old feckers' problem......where it goes in terms of a universal basic income...who knows....but the employment map of the future is hard to predict. Politicians kicking cans down the road and shifting responsibility for difficult problems onto the next generation is a curse for our children. The current policy is a ponzi scheme. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 5.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jan 19 5.16pm

Originally posted by steve1984

He's right of course.

Which is why I found Theresa's new 10 year plan for the NHS so amusing as it majors on prevention. The idea being that we stop people from getting heart disease and cancer by keeping them healthier.

Edited by steve1984 (09 Jan 2019 5.08pm)

Pretty much.

Na....the hope is that automation is the solution to the too many 'old feckers' problem......where it goes in terms of a universal basic income...who knows....but the employment map of the future is hard to predict.

Politicians kicking cans down the road and shifting responsibility for difficult problems onto the next generation is a curse for our children.

The current policy is a ponzi scheme.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2019 5.21pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 09 Jan 19 5.36pm
Originally posted by Mapletree You have ommitted to mention that newer immigrants have a higher propensity to add positively than longer standing immigrants. This thread is about current migration. Current EU immigrants still cost less than current non EU immigrants. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Jan 19 5.36pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

You have ommitted to mention that newer immigrants have a higher propensity to add positively than longer standing immigrants. This thread is about current migration.

Current EU immigrants still cost less than current non EU immigrants.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jan 19 5.41pm
Originally posted by Mapletree You have ommitted to mention that newer immigrants have a higher propensity to add positively than longer standing immigrants. This thread is about current migration. are all the prisons, dole offices and hand-car washes full of all this positivity ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Mapletree

You have ommitted to mention that newer immigrants have a higher propensity to add positively than longer standing immigrants. This thread is about current migration.

are all the prisons, dole offices and hand-car washes full of all this positivity ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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