I was at a concert at the Albert hall last night. The odd empty seat at a sell out concert but there could be loads of reasons for that. I felt a little nervous about going but was fine once there. During the interval a police officer appeared and was walking around in the venue and two women to the side of me appeared noticeably agitated by an officer being there and were asking the steward what was happening and was everything ok and so on. Lots and lots of police around the closer we got to London as we drove there .

Just to add security wise it was open bag shine a torch inside job done. No frisk, no pat down, no metal detectors . My husband was waved straight through without a second glance

Edited by Michaelawt85 (05 Jun 2017 12.39pm)

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

What is meant by 'secular muslim'? It sounds a bit like a 'vegetarian meat-eater' to me.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Culturally you can be muslim without religious adherence. Liberal Turkish are mostly sufi-born but don't feel the need to pray five times a day nor believe in the turban-headed sky fairy either but they will have been brought up with benign muslim values. Sufism has a generous, pleasant god. So even if agnostic those values will have an influence.

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A secular Muslims can still be religious or they can have rejected the religion.

If they are religious it basically means that they accept the separation of Mosque and state....essentially a secular Muslim who still follows the religion is a westernised Muslim who follows liberal values......Most Muslims here care far more what their mosque leaders and family say rather than say.....what the law is...It's why we have sharia courts here.

Then you have your secular Muslims who are atheist/agnostic/other

It's like being a cultural Christian. You feel a connection to the people of the religion without actually believing in the rituals or stories as true.

Homosexual Muslims for example.

Lots of these type of Muslims keep their heads down....Some brave ones can be seen on YouTube channels. I follow some of them.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

For the leaders and elites in a society, that's the motivation. They would benefit personally from the attainment of another society's treasure. But they need a means to convince the population at large, almost all of whom will not benefit, of the righteousness of the cause. Religion is the perfect tool for that. Throughout all of history, there's never been a better tool for mass control than religion.

Pedant!

But that's 1-1 because you just said it was patently untrue before you asked for, and obtained, qualification. So there!

We ought to go on Question Time....