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exitstageright London 06 Mar 16 8.22am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved. I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute It also shows how polarised the country is becoming and how intolerant and potentially oppressive the new Establishment are.
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exitstageright

London 06 Mar 16 8.22am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved.

I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute

It also shows how polarised the country is becoming and how intolerant and potentially oppressive the new Establishment are.

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chris123 hove actually 06 Mar 16 9.12am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I like to think that I'm fairly intelligent but this is one of the few issues that I genuinely don't know which way is best as both "ins" and "outs" seem to make fairly convincing arguments. My personal preference would be to opt out of certain European aspects rather like David Cameron initially wanted but he didn't get what he wanted and I'm sure that I'm not the only genuine "don't know" Then think of what the 28 will look like when it becomes 35 with the pipeline counties all on board. That's Turkey, Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, Macedonia and Iceland.
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hove actually 06 Mar 16 9.12am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I like to think that I'm fairly intelligent but this is one of the few issues that I genuinely don't know which way is best as both "ins" and "outs" seem to make fairly convincing arguments.

My personal preference would be to opt out of certain European aspects rather like David Cameron initially wanted but he didn't get what he wanted and I'm sure that I'm not the only genuine "don't know"

Then think of what the 28 will look like when it becomes 35 with the pipeline counties all on board. That's Turkey, Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, Macedonia and Iceland.

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Mar 16 9.23am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Voting: In 3 million UK jobs are connected to EU trade and 200,000 of our businesses too. That's enough to sway me. [Link] The Director General of the BCC seems to think that Brexit would be economically beneficial, Michael. He has been suspended by the establishment for saying this. Interesting, eh? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 06 Mar 16 9.23am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Voting: In

3 million UK jobs are connected to EU trade and 200,000 of our businesses too.

That's enough to sway me.

[Link]

The Director General of the BCC seems to think that Brexit would be economically beneficial, Michael.

He has been suspended by the establishment for saying this.

Interesting, eh?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Mar 16 10.14am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved. I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute Alas new initiatives mean that teachers are being made to be ultra cautious as to 'miss' something puts their job on the line. I was told it was better to report something, however doubtful, otherwise the school would be in the proverbial. The buck stops at the head teacher
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Shizzlehurst 06 Mar 16 10.14am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved.

I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute

Alas new initiatives mean that teachers are being made to be ultra cautious as to 'miss' something puts their job on the line. I was told it was better to report something, however doubtful, otherwise the school would be in the proverbial. The buck stops at the head teacher

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Sportyteacher London 06 Mar 16 10.50am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved. I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute The call of teachers bringing the profession into disrepute is far-fetched with the background of the issue needing explanation. First of all, if you have an axe to grind, then perhaps tackle the DfE's interpretation of tackling radicalisation in schools and the subjective net that it presently covers. Schools currently work under a veil of fear by way of a constant shower of Govt directives that are usually poorly set out and left to the profession to interpret...but then judged by non-consistent levels of HMI scrutiny that have the power to ruin the careers of Senior Leaders & Teachers alike.
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London 06 Mar 16 10.50am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved.

I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute

The call of teachers bringing the profession into disrepute is far-fetched with the background of the issue needing explanation.

First of all, if you have an axe to grind, then perhaps tackle the DfE's interpretation of tackling radicalisation in schools and the subjective net that it presently covers. Schools currently work under a veil of fear by way of a constant shower of Govt directives that are usually poorly set out and left to the profession to interpret...but then judged by non-consistent levels of HMI scrutiny that have the power to ruin the careers of Senior Leaders & Teachers alike.

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chris123 hove actually 06 Mar 16 11.00am
Originally posted by Sportyteacher The call of teachers bringing the profession into disrepute is far-fetched with the background of the issue needing explanation. First of all, if you have an axe to grind, then perhaps tackle the DfE's interpretation of tackling radicalisation in schools and the subjective net that it presently covers. Schools currently work under a veil of fear by way of a constant shower of Govt directives that are usually poorly set out and left to the profession to interpret...but then judged by non-consistent levels of HMI scrutiny that have the power to ruin the careers of Senior Leaders & Teachers alike. So I understand what you are saying. The teachers were protecting this child from the risk of radicalisation by UKIP?
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hove actually 06 Mar 16 11.00am

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

The call of teachers bringing the profession into disrepute is far-fetched with the background of the issue needing explanation.

So I understand what you are saying. The teachers were protecting this child from the risk of radicalisation by UKIP?

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legaleagle 06 Mar 16 11.42am
Originally posted by matt_himself [Link] The Director General of the BCC seems to think that Brexit would be economically beneficial, Michael. He has been suspended by the establishment for saying this. Interesting, eh? So,an organisation has an express policy of neutrality re the issue .Not surprising given likely to have members of varying viewpoints.A senior member of the organisation elects to deliberately ignore the organisation's policy,so is suspended.Again,hardly surprising. Not clear how this could lead any reasonable observer (as opposed to a highly biased one) to suggest he was "suspended by the establishment for saying this" . Interesting indeed,eh? [Link]
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06 Mar 16 11.42am

Originally posted by matt_himself

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The Director General of the BCC seems to think that Brexit would be economically beneficial, Michael.

He has been suspended by the establishment for saying this.

Interesting, eh?

So,an organisation has an express policy of neutrality re the issue .Not surprising given likely to have members of varying viewpoints.A senior member of the organisation elects to deliberately ignore the organisation's policy,so is suspended.Again,hardly surprising.

Not clear how this could lead any reasonable observer (as opposed to a highly biased one) to suggest he was "suspended by the establishment for saying this" .

Interesting indeed,eh?

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Hoof Hearted 06 Mar 16 11.54am
Originally posted by legaleagle So,an organisation has an express policy of neutrality re the issue .Not surprising given likely to have members of varying viewpoints.A senior member of the organisation elects to deliberately ignore the organisation's policy,so is suspended.Again,hardly surprising. Not clear how this could lead any reasonable observer (as opposed to a highly biased one) to suggest he was "suspended by the establishment for saying this" . Interesting indeed,eh? [Link] I'm a devout OUT/LEAVE campaigner, but on this issue legaleagle is quite right Matt. He knew the BCC policy on neutrality yet expressed his viewpoint nevertheless. I would hope though that he would have had the same treatment, ie dismissal, if he had spoken in favour of IN/STAY.
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Hoof Hearted 06 Mar 16 11.54am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Not clear how this could lead any reasonable observer (as opposed to a highly biased one) to suggest he was "suspended by the establishment for saying this" .

Interesting indeed,eh?

[Link]

I'm a devout OUT/LEAVE campaigner, but on this issue legaleagle is quite right Matt.

He knew the BCC policy on neutrality yet expressed his viewpoint nevertheless.

I would hope though that he would have had the same treatment, ie dismissal, if he had spoken in favour of IN/STAY.

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Mar 16 12.08pm
Originally posted by legaleagle So,an organisation has an express policy of neutrality re the issue .Not surprising given likely to have members of varying viewpoints.A senior member of the organisation elects to deliberately ignore the organisation's policy,so is suspended.Again,hardly surprising. Not clear how this could lead any reasonable observer (as opposed to a highly biased one) to suggest he was "suspended by the establishment for saying this" . Interesting indeed,eh? [Link] The pedant gets the wrong end of the stick. His view is interesting. A prominent member of the business community thinking we would have a brighter future outside the EU. Notice you don't comment that, just some procedural stuff you think is important. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 06 Mar 16 12.08pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Not clear how this could lead any reasonable observer (as opposed to a highly biased one) to suggest he was "suspended by the establishment for saying this" .

Interesting indeed,eh?

[Link]

The pedant gets the wrong end of the stick.

His view is interesting. A prominent member of the business community thinking we would have a brighter future outside the EU.

Notice you don't comment that, just some procedural stuff you think is important.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Mar 16 12.09pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted I'm a devout OUT/LEAVE campaigner, but on this issue legaleagle is quite right Matt. He knew the BCC policy on neutrality yet expressed his viewpoint nevertheless. I would hope though that he would have had the same treatment, ie dismissal, if he had spoken in favour of IN/STAY. I was talking about his view, not the rights or wrongs of whether he should voice it. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 06 Mar 16 12.09pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I'm a devout OUT/LEAVE campaigner, but on this issue legaleagle is quite right Matt.

He knew the BCC policy on neutrality yet expressed his viewpoint nevertheless.

I would hope though that he would have had the same treatment, ie dismissal, if he had spoken in favour of IN/STAY.

I was talking about his view, not the rights or wrongs of whether he should voice it.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Mar 16 1.05pm
Originally posted by matt_himself I was talking about his view, not the rights or wrongs of whether he should voice it. So why mention 'suspended by the establishment'?
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Shizzlehurst 06 Mar 16 1.05pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I was talking about his view, not the rights or wrongs of whether he should voice it.

So why mention 'suspended by the establishment'?

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matt_himself Matataland 06 Mar 16 1.11pm
Originally posted by nickgusset So why mention 'suspended by the establishment'? Trolling again. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 06 Mar 16 1.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So why mention 'suspended by the establishment'?

Trolling again.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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