I quite agree that we are rubbish and the style of play we have is clearly down to the manager. I'm neither particularly pro Hodgson nor anti him. All I was doing was correcting the post of someone (i.e you), whose (IMO) bias sometimes gets the best of him. You are not alone by any means. Such bias exists in both the Roy-IN and Roy-OUT camps, and I probably have my own biases that surface from time to time.

I've said it before, but to me the issue is not Roy per se. I think he is a lightning rod for a wider malaise. All my life Palace were trying to achieve this, establishing themselves in the top flight, but nobody thought it would be so joyless. Modern football blocks any challenge to the top sides.The glass ceiling is reinforced with iron. Leicester found a way in via the greatest miracle of all time, and fair play to them for taking lasting advantage of that, but otherwise the stable door is well and truly bolted. FFP prevents the next bankrolled upstart, whilst the poxy, godforsaken champions league and TV deals ensure the rich get richer every year. It just happens to be Roy at the helm when the realisation kicks in that we may not get any bigger or better than this.

I appreciate that others feel I'm overthinking it on this one!

Edited by TheBigToePunt (18 Mar 2021 5.48pm)

Think most people agree we are never going to be thr utds and arsenal's of this country but we can definitely get to the level of Southampton, West ham, villa, Newcastle, who all have their fair share of bad seasons but do atleast have a run in Europe every now and then, after 8 seasons in the prem I don't think asking to try and have a genuine go instead of just settling for bettering 3 other teams is too much to ask.

Who cares, what do palace fans actually look back on and remember ? winning the championship against burnley In front of a record crowd and Brighton finishing 2nd, Liverpool semi, both fa Cup finals, Hopkins curling one in, freedman against Stockport, Hillsborough heroes, West ham at the millennium stadium, zaha away at Brighton in the play offs. I want a European run in with them memories.

You missed out beating Manchester United 5-1

Your post seems reasonable. I've plenty to counter but at least you're respectful in your posting and I'm tired of the same arguments. I've said my pieces and could easily argue forever. There's little point, we will still all be Palace at the end of the day. Whatever way we play, or whoever the manager is.
Surprising Roy is this divisive really. He's not that contentious a figure. That's worth considering, I don't remember particularly differing opinions over other managers. I suspect an age thing is part of it.