More people (including many children) are killed in teh US by US citizens who aren't migrants from any kind of middle eastern countries, if fact they are usually 'true' Americans who are many generations into the country. Just look at the many shopping mall & school shootings that take place every year. thousands more die this way than any kind or potential 'terrorist' attacks in the US and yet what has Trump said about this? Absolutely nothing of course because he's a racist coward. He also hates other countries that easily out compete the US such as Europe and Japan that manufacture the best cars in the world that Americans queue up to buy because the US makes some of the worst and most polluting cars in the world. He wants a weak Europe and a weak Asia so his prehistoric manufacturing and technology bases have some kind of hope in 'competing'.

Now he's been completely humiliated over the travel ban he imposed which lasted a matter of days. This will be the first of many humiliations because he's clueless about anything internationally politically savvy.

More people (including many children) are killed in teh US by US citizens who aren't migrants from any kind of middle eastern countries, if fact they are usually 'true' Americans who are many generations into the country. Just look at the many shopping mall & school shootings that take place every year. thousands more die this way than any kind or potential 'terrorist' attacks in the US and yet what has Trump said about this? Absolutely nothing of course because he's a racist coward.

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Non-hispanic whites make up around 63% of the USA population and are responsible for around 48% of the shootings. Black people make up around 13% of the USA population and are responsible for around 14% of the shootings. Asians make up around 5% of the USA population and are responsible for around 6% of the shootings. Latinos make up around 17% of the USA population and are responsible for around 6% of the shootings. Native Americans make up around 1% of the USA population and are responsible for around 3% of the shootings. So best to hang out in a Latino area - and avoid reservations.

Edited by hedgehog50 (05 Feb 2017 6.12pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Yep and how many from 'Islamic' nations? Negligible or non existent, proving my point exactly.

"Negligible"? "Non-Existent"?

You think 3,000 people killed on 11 September 2001 'negligible'?
There have been at least 52 jihadist plots or attacks since 9/11 - 'non-existent'?
How about the The worst mass shooting in U.S. history, committed by a Muslim against LGBT people. In the name of Islam, and specifically in allegiance to Islamic State, Omar Mateen shot and killed 49 people and wounded more than 50 in a gay nightclub, Pulse, in Orlando, Florida in June 2016 - 'neglibible'?.

As causes of preventable deaths, in a country where guns kill around 10-14,000 people a year, its pretty negligible. Terrorism is a significant threat, but the perception of it as a threat dwarves the reality.

Now of course that doesn't mean we should just forget about it, but its not something that's so common as to justify the kind of absurdly high level of focus of things like the Patriot Act, Homeland Security etc which moved the US closer to a police state and tyranny over its own people.

The hypocrisy of the US position could be seen in the rejection of a bill to prevent people on terrorist watch lists / no fly lists from legally purchasing firearms....

When set against the number of murders carried out by US citizens with legally held guns that year and in every year since.......

Therefore, it's overwhelmingly more likely for a US citizen to be murdered by another US citizen - not by an immigrant terrorist. That's the point.