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 npn  Crowborough 13 Dec 16 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Having just spoken to a neighbour who is on the verge of losing his job because of this (right on brothers)and my son having to cancel an urgent medical appointment, perhaps some of the Union Brethren on here can explain the following: I believe the drivers are on an overtime ban until further notice. What I'd like to see Southern do in response to that is to employ a shedload more drivers and ensure there's no overtime for the f**kers when they decide they want to do it again
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 13 Dec 16 9.13pm |
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Originally posted by npn
I believe the drivers are on an overtime ban until further notice. What I'd like to see Southern do in response to that is to employ a shedload more drivers and ensure there's no overtime for the f**kers when they decide they want to do it again Good idea. Use agency drivers. Sack all the fcukin strikers! The world moves on. The unions try to stop that happening.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 13 Dec 16 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Good idea. Use agency drivers. Sack all the fcukin strikers! The world moves on. The unions try to stop that happening. Where do you find agency train drivers and if you could how many would want to work for Govia?
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Dec 16 9.52pm |
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Originally posted by pint
I agree with the poster above, if there isnt enough people to fill the jobs then lets advertise and appoint from abroad. Shame we voted for Brexit, isn't it. Or was the type of reason that the likes of migration a la the Windrush occurred?
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 13 Dec 16 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
They interviewed Mick Whelan on today this morning. Apparently Grayling said he was going to do something (can't remember what it was but it'll be on iplayer) pretty bad and Whelan replied about ten years of strikes if he did. So the comment was in response to a threat and taken out of context.
Link is earlier in thread. No mention of a threat, your interpretation me thinks
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 13 Dec 16 10.11pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Where do you find agency train drivers and if you could how many would want to work for Govia? There are out of work train drivers. Most train drivers take early retirement (as they can afford to). I know two who are now twiddling their thumbs, and taking up part time work. And they wouldn't be working for Govia, they would be agency workers. That means, not employed directly by the hiring company.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 13 Dec 16 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
There are out of work train drivers. Most train drivers take early retirement (as they can afford to). I know two who are now twiddling their thumbs, and taking up part time work. And they wouldn't be working for Govia, they would be agency workers. That means, not employed directly by the hiring company. I thought they were all over paid, should be taught a lesson and retired on gold plated pensions to the Bahamas or similar.
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| gambler Kent 13 Dec 16 10.18pm |
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Originally posted by npn
I believe the drivers are on an overtime ban until further notice. What I'd like to see Southern do in response to that is to employ a shedload more drivers and ensure there's no overtime for the f**kers when they decide they want to do it again Aslef want to eradicate drivers working overtime. It's the companies that love it as it's far cheaper than employing more staff. But that means it's the company's fault so I doubt it will fit many people's agenda. Carry on blaming the workers.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 13 Dec 16 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I thought they were all over paid, should be taught a lesson and retired on gold plated pensions to the Bahamas or similar. Many are.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 13 Dec 16 10.39pm |
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Originally posted by gambler
Aslef want to eradicate drivers working overtime. It's the companies that love it as it's far cheaper than employing more staff. But that means it's the company's fault so I doubt it will fit many people's agenda. Carry on blaming the workers. The unions will do everything they can to preserve jobs, whatever the cost. The companies will obviously offer overtime if it's cheaper. People (workers) will work as many hours that life/rules permit them. That is all a given. The problem here is not to do with that though. It's about who pushes a button! And it's only the public who lose out.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Dec 16 11.28pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Link is earlier in thread. No mention of a threat, your interpretation me thinks that was a link to a different interview wasn't it? EDIT from the aslef site.
Mick Whelan, general secretary of ASLEF, the train drivers’ union, spoke out this afternoon after claims made by Chris Grayling, the Secretary of State for Transport, in a letter released by the DfT. ‘The Transport Secretary is being less than honest on all counts,’ said Mick.‘Earlier this year Peter Wilkinson, the £265,000 a year director of rail passenger services, said on a public platform that the aim of the DfT is to force train drivers – men and women he derisively referred to as ‘muppets’ –‘out of my industry.’ Mr Wilkinson said he was determined to provoke industrial confrontation and, indeed, was looking forward to ‘punch ups’ with trade unions. The strikes this week are not, whatever Mr Grayling tries to suggest,politically motivated. We have a trade dispute with GTR / Southern, and only a poor government would seek to spin it any other way. I think their motives are clear.’ Mick added: ‘The Transport Secretary is also being less than honest – and utterly selective – about a private meeting I had with him held, in good faith, under Chatham House rules. We said there could potentially be issues, in the future,on GTR/Southern following his refusal to entertain the serious safety concerns we raised and given the complete breakdown in trust between the union and the company.That loss of trust now extends to Mr Grayling and the government of which he is a part. ‘I am not sure how Mr Grayling has been made party to private and confidential conversations that took place but, in the interest of fairness, he might have said that we were willing to go to ACAS last week but GTR Southern refused because they wanted to go to court. These conversations finished yesterday evening and,logistically, could not have been concluded before we had to meet with our legal teams and was not a genuine offer. ‘I am more concerned, than either the minister or the company, about the safety of our members and the travelling public, but today we will find out whether a fully or partly-owned foreign company can deny British workers the right to strike. Edited by nickgusset (13 Dec 2016 11.31pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Dec 16 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
The unions will do everything they can to preserve jobs, whatever the cost. The companies will obviously offer overtime if it's cheaper. People (workers) will work as many hours that life/rules permit them. That is all a given. The problem here is not to do with that though. It's about who pushes a button! And it's only the public who lose out.
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