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exitstageright  London 03 Mar 16 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
And there's some idiots out there who think the 'outies' are driven by xenophobia And there's some idiots out there who think the 'inies' are driven by anglophobia
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 -TUX-  Alphabettispaghetti 03 Mar 16 8.14pm |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
A French government minister has sparked a row by suggesting his country could end UK border controls in Calais if Britain leaves the EU. The French are worse than our 'In' lot with all the scaremongering. Ironically one of the only foreign (ex) ministers to suggest there were advantages to us leaving was Varoufakis. The treaty signed between the UK and the French regarding border controls has nothing to do with 'Europe'.
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 03 Mar 16 8.51pm |
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It's funny how when anyone voices an opinion that puts the opposing view, they're called scaremongers, but if their opinion concurs, they're the voice of reason! Fact is no-one knows what's going to happen with an exit, it might be ok it might not, but it's quite possible that at least some of the downside that's being suggested might actually happen. Equally, staying isn't a panacea, there's plenty wrong with the EU, but to say we'll definitely be better off on our own is self-delusion, we just don't know until it happens (if it happens). For the record, I don't actually hate the French; I've met plenty of to$$pots in England who I'd dislike more.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Mar 16 9.46am |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
"Tariff barriers would mean higher costs and higher prices and we cannot assume that the UK would be granted free trade with Europe from outside the EU." So basically there's no basis to assume trade would be affected, unless you're also going to assume EU businesses will be happy to damage themselves by not trading with us. I think the only impact it would have on trade would be with countries outside of the EU, and it would arguably be minimal in the short term if at all. Longer term, being outside the EU in terms of international trade would likely have an effect, but whether that's benefical or negative, would largely depend on where you draw criteria of benefical and negative.
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| Hoof Hearted 04 Mar 16 11.21am | |
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The French "outbursts" were carefully timed and choreographed with Cameron's visit to France. Don't worry.... as I said earlier in the thread - these scaremongering outbursts will rise in magnitude over the preamble towards polling day both in number and severity... particularly if the polls continue to be unmoved and a leave vote looks likely.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Mar 16 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by -TUX-
The treaty signed between the UK and the French regarding border controls has nothing to do with 'Europe'. In fairness border controls getting out of a country are pretty lax in the UK into France. The seemed a lot more 'focused' when returning. Similarly inspections, I've been pulled aside a couple of times coming into the UK for a quick check when I was younger, but never leaving.
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| exitstageright London 04 Mar 16 2.45pm |
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I know the sorry bunch of desperados like Dave, Clegg, Blair, Mandleson, Clarke, Heseltine, the BBC, etc are indeed becoming desperate as it dawns on them that 'out' might win, but setting the police on a 15-year-old for accessing a UKIP website really does illustrate why we need a change to all the politically correct claptrap of recent years.
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| Hoof Hearted 04 Mar 16 4.10pm | |
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Originally posted by exitstageright
I know the sorry bunch of desperados like Dave, Clegg, Blair, Mandleson, Clarke, Heseltine, the BBC, etc are indeed becoming desperate as it dawns on them that 'out' might win, but setting the police on a 15-year-old for accessing a UKIP website really does illustrate why we need a change to all the politically correct claptrap of recent years. I thought that was a joke till I saw the link? WTF........
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| davenotamonkey 05 Mar 16 12.42am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think its more that both sides don't really want to admit that in or out, won't actually change anything. If we go out, then we'll go down the route of the 'non-eu partners' in the ETA (which essentially will undermine a lot of the reason to leave the EU) and it'll be sold on the national sovereignty issue. If we stay in, its business as usual, which is pretty much exactly what it will be if we exit. Insofar as the EU will hold court over us, with progressively more power transferred from the UKgov to Brussels, yes "business as usual". I can't wait to see who will end up paying the extra €20bn they will be demanding in the budget post-referendum. For those unsure about how the contributions are carved up, it's down which countries are in growth. That would be pretty much us at the moment. It's also an utter fallacy to say that we're voting to "Remain" in the EU as we have it now: expect less representation, more money and power flowing to Brussels and more unskilled labour flowing back the other way. Rhetoric? Hyperbole? I'm only extrapolating from trends in ever-increasing net immigration, size of the EU acquis and our net contributions to the EU budget. If someone desperate to stay in-at-all-costs has alternative figures, do provide them.
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| chris123 hove actually 06 Mar 16 7.55am |
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Boris not happy!!
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| Midlands Eagle 06 Mar 16 8.06am |
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Originally posted by exitstageright
setting the police on a 15-year-old for accessing a UKIP website really does illustrate why we need a change to all the politically correct claptrap of recent years. I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved. I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute
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| Midlands Eagle 06 Mar 16 8.10am |
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I like to think that I'm fairly intelligent but this is one of the few issues that I genuinely don't know which way is best as both "ins" and "outs" seem to make fairly convincing arguments. My personal preference would be to opt out of certain European aspects rather like David Cameron initially wanted but he didn't get what he wanted and I'm sure that I'm not the only genuine "don't know"
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