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 -TUX-  Alphabettispaghetti 19 Oct 15 8.23pm |
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sydtheeagle  England 20 Oct 15 7.28am |
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Refs for the semis: SF1 New Zealand v South Africa SF2 Australia v Argentina So looks like Owens will ge the final. No argument with that.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 20 Oct 15 7.49am |
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Quote chateauferret at 19 Oct 2015 7.17pm
See that Joubert fellow, he's just a sh!te Clattenburg, so he is.
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 20 Oct 15 8.07am |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 20 Oct 2015 7.28am
Refs for the semis: SF1 New Zealand v South Africa SF2 Australia v Argentina So looks like Owens will ge the final. No argument with that. Nope. Best ref out there, possibly in any sport let alone rugby. The Sash-o-meter, after a clean sweep last week I hasten to add predicts; New Zealand by 9 or more - This is going to be f***ing epic this one. Saffers will try to rough it up in the forwards and can see them playing the kicking game (more than usual), New Zealand can more than cope with that though and have that extra skill and power to win it, especially in the backs.
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| oldcodger 20 Oct 15 8.35am |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 20 Oct 2015 7.28am
Refs for the semis: SF1 New Zealand v South Africa SF2 Australia v Argentina So looks like Owens will ge the final. No argument with that. I'd quite like Argentina to get to the final as they're the underdog story now.
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 20 Oct 15 12.32pm |
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It comes as no surprise that Craig Joubert was 'mentored' by Jonathan Kaplan, one of the worst refs I have ever seen officiate For what its worth I agree with Chieka to a point.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Oct 15 5.19pm |
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Doubt I'm the first to think it, but this is the first world cup where I am genuinely little interested in the semi-finals. May gain some interest if Argentina get to the final, which is something I never thought I would say - well since 1982 at least.
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| sydtheeagle England 20 Oct 15 6.34pm |
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Quote ASCPFC at 20 Oct 2015 5.19pm
Doubt I'm the first to think it, but this is the first world cup where I am genuinely little interested in the semi-finals. May gain some interest if Argentina get to the final, which is something I never thought I would say - well since 1982 at least. I don't know. If you had said this before the tournament, I'd probably have agreed with you. But the SH nations have played such demonstrably better and, furthermore, vastly more thrilling rugby than their NH counterparts that I probably no longer agree. I know there is the issue of having a "local team" to support but really, which of the four would you replace? None of the NH teams came even close to the level of the four semi-finalists (possibly except South Africa at times) and none were nearly as entertaining to watch. And from a neutral perspective, can rugby be any better than the two games this weekend? I still do get what you're saying but I can't persuade myself that I'd be more excited to see how things unfolded if a home nation was still around. The ABs vs. the Bokke is pretty much the classic rugby match; a contrast of history, style, mentality and tactics. And Argentina haven't just crashed the party; they've arrived. From nowhere (more or less) to better than any NH team in little over a decade. I, too, would love to see the Argies reach the final but in spite of the failure of the NH teams, this has been a great World Cup for rugby.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Oct 15 8.04pm |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 20 Oct 2015 6.34pm
Quote ASCPFC at 20 Oct 2015 5.19pm
Doubt I'm the first to think it, but this is the first world cup where I am genuinely little interested in the semi-finals. May gain some interest if Argentina get to the final, which is something I never thought I would say - well since 1982 at least. I don't know. If you had said this before the tournament, I'd probably have agreed with you. But the SH nations have played such demonstrably better and, furthermore, vastly more thrilling rugby than their NH counterparts that I probably no longer agree. I know there is the issue of having a "local team" to support but really, which of the four would you replace? None of the NH teams came even close to the level of the four semi-finalists (possibly except South Africa at times) and none were nearly as entertaining to watch. And from a neutral perspective, can rugby be any better than the two games this weekend? I still do get what you're saying but I can't persuade myself that I'd be more excited to see how things unfolded if a home nation was still around. The ABs vs. the Bokke is pretty much the classic rugby match; a contrast of history, style, mentality and tactics. And Argentina haven't just crashed the party; they've arrived. From nowhere (more or less) to better than any NH team in little over a decade. I, too, would love to see the Argies reach the final but in spite of the failure of the NH teams, this has been a great World Cup for rugby. There has been great rugby in this tournament, although alternatively I have seen no figures to suggest that this has been a great world cup for rugby. I wouldn't be sure if rugby has spread itself further afield or become more popular worldwide - which is something I would like to see.
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johnno42000  20 Oct 15 8.52pm |
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Quote ASCPFC at 20 Oct 2015 8.04pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 20 Oct 2015 6.34pm
Quote ASCPFC at 20 Oct 2015 5.19pm
Doubt I'm the first to think it, but this is the first world cup where I am genuinely little interested in the semi-finals. May gain some interest if Argentina get to the final, which is something I never thought I would say - well since 1982 at least. I don't know. If you had said this before the tournament, I'd probably have agreed with you. But the SH nations have played such demonstrably better and, furthermore, vastly more thrilling rugby than their NH counterparts that I probably no longer agree. I know there is the issue of having a "local team" to support but really, which of the four would you replace? None of the NH teams came even close to the level of the four semi-finalists (possibly except South Africa at times) and none were nearly as entertaining to watch. And from a neutral perspective, can rugby be any better than the two games this weekend? I still do get what you're saying but I can't persuade myself that I'd be more excited to see how things unfolded if a home nation was still around. The ABs vs. the Bokke is pretty much the classic rugby match; a contrast of history, style, mentality and tactics. And Argentina haven't just crashed the party; they've arrived. From nowhere (more or less) to better than any NH team in little over a decade. I, too, would love to see the Argies reach the final but in spite of the failure of the NH teams, this has been a great World Cup for rugby. There has been great rugby in this tournament, although alternatively I have seen no figures to suggest that this has been a great world cup for rugby. I wouldn't be sure if rugby has spread itself further afield or become more popular worldwide - which is something I would like to see. That's a bit harsh. We were playing with a lot of injuries to some good players and it took a score in the last 10 minutes to get the Boks in front. Saying that it has been very disappointing results wise from all of the 6 Nations sides. I can't believe it is purely playing against the big 3 SH sides that has made Argentina such a good side, although I cannot think of any other reason why
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| sydtheeagle England 20 Oct 15 8.59pm |
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Quote ASCPFC at 20 Oct 2015 8.04pm
There has been great rugby in this tournament, although alternatively I have seen no figures to suggest that this has been a great world cup for rugby. I wouldn't be sure if rugby has spread itself further afield or become more popular worldwide - which is something I would like to see. It's hard to say, but I think it has been a great World Cup on both counts. Certainly, the attendance figures are the highest ever by some margin, although that mainly points to interest in a country already interested in the sport. Where I think it has been great for rugby is: 1. There really are no 110-0 score lines anymore, and they used to be commonplace. Yes, there are still big defeats but even at 52-10 or the like, Namibia are scoring points off the ABs and remaining competitive through 60 minutes. There is still a gap, but it is narrowing. 2. There are far fewer walkovers. Apart from Japan, Fiji, Canada, Georgia and the USA were all clearly competitive even against better sides. Fiji now has a pack to go with its backs; Canada's half backs were excellent; Georgia's 8 and 9 in particular were sensational, the latter only a teenager. All had at least one or two players who could appear in a Six Nations side. Gorgodze was among the best 8s at the tournament. 3. Japan. The impact of their team in a market that's massively important commercially to the future of the sport cannot be underestimated. And Japan has a Super Rugby franchise starting in 2016 which will further speed their development. And then the World Cup itself in 2019. The biggest problem rugby has isn't that the tier 2 nations aren't getting up to speed -- they clearly are. It's that the Tier 1 nations will, as usual, do nothing to help them hasten the progression, at least in the Northern Hemisphere. While the ABs, Australia and South Africa have seen fit to bring first Argentina and now Japan into the fold by entering them in their major tournaments, what are we doing for Georgia or Romania? Precisely nothing. It's tempting to say Italy is a failed experiment which is continued largely because the blazers like an annual weekend in Rome but the real future of European rugby lies to the east of the continent. Where there is less immediate commercial advantage. I think we'd all like to see rugby broaden its borders and it has taken a step in that direction with this World Cup although, no doubt, progress is and will continue to be slow at least in this part of the world. Something needs to be done to ensure the momentum built by this World Cup isn't lost.
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 21 Oct 15 8.25am |
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I have thoroughly enjoyed this World Cup to be honest and Argentina apart, 3 of the 4 Semi-Finalists are exactly who I (and probably most) would have expected to make the last 4 so no real surprises. New Zealand, love them or loathe them, continue to play a different sport to the rest of the world. Their entire team, including even their 3rd choice prop, as we saw against France, are such accomplished all round players they can break and side step like wingers and slip one handed passes round their backs in contact like the most girly of backs. I cant see a Dan Cole or Joe Marler doing the same can you ? What this WC should be is a massive wake up call for the old guard from the North and their stuffy unions, especially England - The SH are not just still way ahead but the lesser nations are catching the North - using that 'Southern' way of playing as a template. This game is won or lost at the breakdown, its won or lost by keeping the ball moving, its won or lost on the intensity levels you play at - England's trundling forwards, hitting contact, slowly recycling to the scrum half, only to do it all again is almost prehistoric. We have some genuinely exciting players but as demonstrated with JJ, a coaching team that would rather play limited tacklers (BB, OF etc) than give any hint of the maverick or dynamic. England, with its money and talent pool are the best placed of any NH team to push and genuinely compete with the South. The key is the coaching and where that coach comes from. England require a progressive coach who can mould a side to play with that speed at breakdown, that intensity level and encourage and coach every player to be able to offload and quickly...otherwise in another 20 years it wont just be Argentina beating them but Japan as well. Edited by The Sash (21 Oct 2015 8.27am)
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