Maybe ask those who refused to go to the camp in Hungary exactly what they expect from their destination country, then we can collectively decide whether it's reasonable or possible.

People argue that's no life for them, but then many here say the same about a council flat.

Edited by johnfirewall (03 Sep 2015 3.19pm)

Yeah, but how long can you live in a 'tent' in a refugee camp, with your family? They're hardly the kind of places designed for people and their families to function long term and tend to be quite dangerous places (esp as time goes on) and with more and more refugees turning up, they tend not to get better but worse.

Some of them could have been there now for up to four years.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Even some of the lefties on Facebook, in posting their incessent petitions also add that we should offer temporary sanctuary. Those who demand we should offer more aren't basing that on the belief that we'll never resolve the root cause in Syria.

I'd normally avoid commenting on political matters, particularly ones as decisive as immigration.

However, having been in Budapest earlier in the week and seen the immigrant "crisis" with my own eyes I have mixed feelings on the matter.

Firstly, as this thread is 37 pages long, I'd urge people not to waist time trying to convince people that either "Britain is full" or "These people need our help" it's clearly not that simple. Here are my observations.

Before arriving in Budapest I saw on the news that there were thousands of immigrants trying to cross get on the trains heading north. However, I didn't see any at any station I was at except Budapest.

The Hungarian Police had the station on lock down, they are doing a really good job and using significant resources around the clock. The number of migrants is no where near as high as being made out, there were perhaps 50 to 100 outside the station shouting about going to Germany, then a few dozen more underground and and in some nearby parks.

Its obvious whilst Hungary is annoyed. They are having to foot the bill to protect Austria and Germany's boarders. Giving all the migrants the benefit of the doubt saying they will go on to become contributing tax paying citizens, these revenues will go to Germany, not Hungary.

I think the language some political figures have been using to describe it is very un-British. I saw Nigel Farage use the phrase "Biblical proportions" on the news, I did wonder if he got this connection from the fact some migrants were wearing sandals. It's really being blown out of all proportion. We are not showing ourselves as the calm and considered nation that reflects our own national stereotype.

I was left a little confused by the language some of the migrants I saw interviewed as well. This may just be from the selected sample the media chose to broadcast. I saw one man saying that if he could not get the train he would have to contact the mafia to get to German. These quotes did appear to be rhetoric aimed at pulling the heart strings of those who are easily influenced. There are plenty of other ways of getting from Hungary to other countries with a bit of creativity. Try getting to another station in another town or jumping on a coach.

I also can completely see why an migrant would want to go to the most prosperous countries in Europe such as Germany and the UK. It's a side affect of being having a strong economy in a tolerant nation. Having said that, if I was running for my life, I would be happy to get to the nearest safe country and stay there at least for the time being. I wouldn't camp for days outside of a station on the off chance I might get into somewhere better.

Finally, there have been some distressing photos of people with there kids in Budapest, as well as the ones of children getting washed up on beaches. With respect to the kids in Budapest, they with there family sleeping on the street - Budapest is full of hostels from about £10 a night. The families of these children should stop using their own kids as a tool for sympathy and put them in somewhere they can sleep safely. If not, the authorities should take the kids off them.

This with bells on.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Like the north of England? (Or Scotland. Sturgeon seems keen to assist).

You said it yourself, a refugee would be pretty pissed off ending up in some of these places which is why they all want to come to London.

So when you hear that hundreds of kids have been taken in to Kent social services that's the positive side of it. It means they're actually in a better place but is that a big enough step up from a camp?