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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Dec 16 5.50pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Interestingly on the beeb they say:

Transport secretary Chris Grayling dubbed the action a "deliberate act of militancy" and claimed Aslef had warned him to expect "10 years of industrial action" at a meeting in September.

The response apparently is:
Aslef's general secretary Mick Whelan said: "The strikes this week are not, whatever Mr Grayling tries to suggest, politically motivated.

"We have a trade dispute with GTR Southern, and only a poor government would seek to spin it any other way.

"We were willing to go to ACAS last week but GTR Southern refused because they wanted to go to court.

No Denial of the 10 year of strikes that I can see

They interviewed Mick Whelan on today this morning. Apparently Grayling said he was going to do something (can't remember what it was but it'll be on iplayer) pretty bad and Whelan replied about ten years of strikes if he did. So the comment was in response to a threat and taken out of context.


Meanwhile, Chunky Mark [Link]

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 13 Dec 16 6.29pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

The misery piled upon ordinary folk today is spiteful.

f*** them all.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Dec 16 6.36pm

Originally posted by Helmet46

Is exactly my point. When I said my industry, that's actually grown financially but with massive staff number reductions because we've used new technology and made it more efficient and cost effective.

Edited by Helmet46 (13 Dec 2016 5.19pm)

Edited by Helmet46 (13 Dec 2016 5.22pm)


Shall I put you in the 'shrug your shoulders and do nothing camp' then?

 

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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 13 Dec 16 6.54pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


Shall I put you in the 'shrug your shoulders and do nothing camp' then?

Ermmm, no. If you must put me in one of your little camps then put me in the 'I'm not afraid of progress as it generally makes life more efficient for the majority but can have a detrimental effect on a minority camp.'

However, this strike is causing the majority abject misery and they are losing their jobs, emergency staff cannot get to work, because ALL sides are too wrapped up in their own agendas to effectively communicate and reach a solution. Progress and efficiencies are going to happen - the intelligent way to deal with it tends to be dialogue and communication not back turning, stubbornness and tantrums. (FROM ALL SIDES). A lot of issues remain unresolved because of entrenchment and lack of communication and in this dispute that is shameful because neither side is paying any heed to the travelling public. That is because both sides in this one are total tossers.


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elgrande Flag bedford 13 Dec 16 6.55pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


Shall I put you in the 'shrug your shoulders and do nothing camp' then?

How is he saying that.....he's saying his industry had become more cost effective,with more technology this happens,
He has embraced it and moved with the times.

 


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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 13 Dec 16 6.57pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

How is he saying that.....he's saying his industry had become more cost effective,with more technology this happens,
He has embraced it and moved with the times.

You're right. I'm not saying that. He simply made a ridiculous point about technology is all.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Dec 16 7.05pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Having just spoken to a neighbour who is on the verge of losing his job because of this (right on brothers)and my son having to cancel an urgent medical appointment, perhaps some of the Union Brethren on here can explain the following:
Why was there virtually no trains on Monday, a non-strike day?
I have just seen an interview on the news where is disclosed that there has been driver-only trains for nearly TWENTY YEARS!!When asked about this the Aslef spokesbrother stated "Yes, well, er in hindsight" Surely he should have said that, at that time it was a Labour Government etc. Now say this is not politically motivated.
Just to advise you I have been a Public Sector Union member for over 40 years but this is now got to the stage where I wouldn't care if they sacked them all.
Here's an idea, the Labour party want us to keep open borders..let's import train drivers from abroad who would be happy to work.
Let the attacks begin but do you know what..I don't care!!

 

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pint Flag Near Dunstable, Bedfordshire 13 Dec 16 7.36pm Send a Private Message to pint Add pint as a friend

Govia ThamesLink Railway has driver operated trains on its ThamesLink part (I asked, and they confirmed this), so it is a natural shift to bring this ot the rest of their network.

I have sympathy with people who are faced with redundancy, but I am afraid to say that I do not support RMT or ASLEF on this. Their actions are heaping misery on so many, causing other people's livelihoods into question as they cant get to work, and messing up many Palace fans who would otherwise be overjoyed when we stuff United.

This has gone on for long enough, the Government should step in and take control now, like they did (wrongly in my opinion) with the Doctors - I acknowledge that the trains and the doctors are different on many levels, not least the Doctor strike was caused by Hunt whereas Grayling hasn't caused the Southern debacle.

I agree with the poster above, if there isnt enough people to fill the jobs then lets advertise and appoint from abroad.

 


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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 13 Dec 16 8.08pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

It is just a childish argument about who pushes a button to close the doors. It appears the drivers either don't want to do it, or want more money to do it. The guards seem to want to have the responsibility to push the button, and are holding firm. Nobody is going to lose their job, or get a pay cut. It's about who pushes a button. I've seen more intellectual arguments going on in an infant school playground.

Inevitably, DOO will happen. Everywhere. The unions are just dragging it out.

Edit: In fact, train operators will be redundant in the near future, and those lazy drivers/guards will have to actually do something, like check tickets and assist passengers instead of having next to nothing to do.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (13 Dec 2016 8.17pm)

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 13 Dec 16 8.23pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

All about safety my arse. They dont seem to care about the safety risk of massively overcrowded platforms due to their actions.Bunch of c***s.

 

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 13 Dec 16 8.29pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

All about safety my arse. They dont seem to care about the safety risk of massively overcrowded platforms due to their actions.Bunch of c***s.

Now that's a good point.

I seem to remember a football game where too many people were allowed to enter a stadium causing a potential accident. Who would get the blame if someone/lots of people got forced onto the track?

And then a train arrived.

Or, the fast train went sailing through at 40mph.....?

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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Part Time James Flag 13 Dec 16 8.31pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Now that's a good point.

I seem to remember a football game where too many people were allowed to enter a stadium causing a potential accident. Who would get the blame if someone/lots of people got forced onto the track?

And then a train arrived.

Or, the fast train went sailing through at 40mph.....?

I think the chances of a train going anywhere right now are pretty slim.

 




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