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johnfirewall Flag 02 Sep 15 7.56pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

When do we let the traffickers in? They'll be fleeing eventually and are obviously caring types helping people escape. They're not to know the boats will sink.

 

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stateside Flag Norfolk 02 Sep 15 7.59pm Send a Private Message to stateside Add stateside as a friend

There are 50 % young men escaping the war in Syria, why are they not fighting for there country and way of life.We would all be marching to the jack boot if our grandperents had just run away.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 02 Sep 15 8.06pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 02 Sep 2015 8.03pm

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RIP.

 


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ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 02 Sep 15 10.28pm

You don't extinguish a fire by inhaling the smoke.


(as for the little boy in the pictures, he is not the first child to have died. Respect to the man who picked him up, not directly looking or staring at him. The most sickening thing is the fact that another person decided not to help, but to instead point a camera, shame on them.)

And the fact that the disrespectful fuc#er who pointed that camera will be making any financial gains from it just goes to show how completely fcuked the world is. (excuse my french/poor English.)

Edited by ZIGnZAG (02 Sep 2015 10.46pm)

 

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johnny the eagle Flag wivenhoe 03 Sep 15 9.18am Send a Private Message to johnny the eagle Add johnny the eagle as a friend

Not being sarcastic,but how many of the migrants are the likes of Russia, China, U.S.A. Japan, Saudi Arabia and a lot of other U.N. member states taking in. In my mind this ain't really just a europe problem. Most of the people fleeing are not from europe are they ? So really this is a global problem the U.N. should really take control of this. Maybe they need to build centers where these family's can be looked after in safe countries bordering the unsafe countries. When the conflict is over then they can be repatriated, I know it all sounds very simple and I know it ain't but the U.N. should be involved cos it ain't just a europe problem, is it.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Sep 15 10.21am

Quote johnny the eagle at 03 Sep 2015 9.18am

Not being sarcastic,but how many of the migrants are the likes of Russia, China, U.S.A. Japan, Saudi Arabia and a lot of other U.N. member states taking in. In my mind this ain't really just a europe problem. Most of the people fleeing are not from europe are they ? So really this is a global problem the U.N. should really take control of this. Maybe they need to build centers where these family's can be looked after in safe countries bordering the unsafe countries. When the conflict is over then they can be repatriated, I know it all sounds very simple and I know it ain't but the U.N. should be involved cos it ain't just a europe problem, is it.

Well you couldn't send refugees to China, Russia or Saudi Arabia, given their human rights records or the risk to individuals (both Russian and China have very political ties to the Assad Regime, whilst Saudi Arabia is a long term political enemy of Syria).

As for Japan god knows probably not. The US has recently committed to taking 8000 Syrian refugees, and the UNHCR is in discussions for more allocations going forwards (for obvious reasons Syria is a bit of a hot potato for the US).


 


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Percy of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 03 Sep 15 11.09am Send a Private Message to Percy of Peckham Add Percy of Peckham as a friend

Quote stateside at 02 Sep 2015 7.59pm

There are 50 % young men escaping the war in Syria, why are they not fighting for there country and way of life.We would all be marching to the jack boot if our grandperents had just run away.

Millions have fought for causes in the past but they did not have the alternative of packing their rucksack and moving on. If we keep accommodating migrants then inevitably more will follow. Surely, the only option is to take them back to their country of origin to sort out their own problems? Not a kind thing to do but it may help to provide a longer-term solution?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Sep 15 12.45pm

Quote stateside at 02 Sep 2015 7.59pm

There are 50 % young men escaping the war in Syria, why are they not fighting for there country and way of life.We would all be marching to the jack boot if our grandperents had just run away.

Our grand parents weren't fighting in a civil war. The realities of which are very different to fighting in a conventional war.

Which side would you choose Assad Loyalists and Hezbollah, The Al-Nasu Islamist groups aligned with Al-Qaeda, the Kurdish alliances, the Free Syrian Army (ironically allied to five different Islamist militias) or IS.

Note that the Free Syrian Army is massively outmanned, outgunned and out supplied by the Assad Loyalist forces and IS, and the Kurdish forces are really only an option if you live in those regions near the Turkish Border.

For a lot of Syrians the options if they're not in the Damascus Region or Kurdish regions are the Al-Qaeda, IS or the Assad loyalists.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Sep 15 12.51pm

Quote stateside at 02 Sep 2015 7.59pm

There are 50 % young men escaping the war in Syria, why are they not fighting for there country and way of life. We would all be marching to the jack boot if our grandperents had just run away.

Yes, because that's exactly the same. Which faction would you join. IS, Al-Nasru, the Assad Loyalists, The Kurds, or the Free Syrian Army (doomed, as they're outgunned, outnumbered and out supplied).

If you're lucky enough to live in the Kurdish regions...

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Sep 15 12.59pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 03 Sep 2015 11.09am

Quote stateside at 02 Sep 2015 7.59pm

There are 50 % young men escaping the war in Syria, why are they not fighting for there country and way of life.We would all be marching to the jack boot if our grandperents had just run away.

Millions have fought for causes in the past but they did not have the alternative of packing their rucksack and moving on. If we keep accommodating migrants then inevitably more will follow. Surely, the only option is to take them back to their country of origin to sort out their own problems? Not a kind thing to do but it may help to provide a longer-term solution?

In the past, the capacity of military destruction (really prior to WWII) to affect areas outside of the main battle fields was minimal - even in civil wars and rebellions.

WWII really brought the technological shift required that meant that conventional warfare was no longer limited to battle fields, but to entire nations.

Even during WW2 the capacity to target civilan population centers was limited. In a civil war, on a modern conventional level, its an omnipresent experience across a whole nation. The reality of a civil war is that its fought locally, first with different factions in local regions fighting for dominance (usually by extermination of non-allied factions and sympathisers), before becoming a conflict between different allied regions and groups on an national scale.

Syria appears to be moving towards being a 'show down' between IS and its allies against the Syrian Loyalist factions with the Kurdish regions looking to secure autonomy. The Secular Free Syrian Army is sat more or less in the middle, between these two major factions.

 


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johnfirewall Flag 03 Sep 15 2.56pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

What are your views on immigration?,
Yes.

Still not sure why those in Hungary are refusing to leave the train to Germany, ticket for the full journey or not. It's not a holiday

For purposes of debate that's hopefully situation that can draw impartial analysis from the 'yes' contingent on here.

Edited by johnfirewall (03 Sep 2015 2.57pm)

 

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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 03 Sep 15 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

For me the issue isn't wether we let immigrants in...its how we do it.

I hear all those bleat on saying Germany have taken x, Turkey y and Italy z...but if you look at the head of population per kilometre we have a higher concentration than most of these countries...which means we cant simply accept anyone in...we cant expand our borders or build more land. [Link]

As it is there are already pressures on housing (of which there's already a lack), the NHS (which is seriously underfunded), Social Services (which is at breaking point).

Its easy to make glib statements and jump on the righteous cause when your sat at home in your comfy chair or at work in your air con office at your computer.

How many of those calling for us to let more in would willingly offer up their spare room...or have them living in your street or next door?...very very FEW.

What I'd like to see happen is that the EU countries get together to open camps in Syria etc and only allow people in from there...whether its based on skills, height, weight...I don't care. What it would do is help address the issue with trafficking (though clearly not entirely). It would help prevent those clambering to get to the likes of Greece etc and above all...allow people to find a better life in various parts of Europe.

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