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davenotamonkey 30 Jan 17 6.37pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well no, its not, he was specific about the ban being against Muslims, not specific nations. Aside from the fact that the nations selected have no reasonable rational as to why they're ahead of other nations, it would have been unconstitutional for him to make a ban on religious grounds (US Freedom of Religion). As such, its effectively also a ban on Christians as well as other minority religious groups in those countries which are also facing persecution (very unfortunate if you're a Druze or Christian seeking Asylum in the US, who are being murdered by IS in Syria - the Druze and Christian Syrians make up about 13% of the Syrian Population - but are disproportionate in their experience of persecution by IS). This also doesn't include that fact that the problem the US really has is within the Sunni Sulfi sects of Islam, which typically has its militancy aimed against Sunni Islamists and involved in regional political issues. Of course Sunni Sulfist militants are quite happy to murder Shia and Ismali Muslims - who now cannot claim refuge in the US (despite being allied against IS in Iraq, alongside the US and being non-violent in the case of Ismalis). It's painfully evident from your posts, that you haven't actually read the Executive Order. I'll help you and your buddies out. Consider this a freebie, and perhaps a sensible basis for discussion, rather than the Graun's bile above the line, and the rabid mouth-foaming underneath it. Below is a summary of the first 4 sections of the EO, in my own words, with any interpretive comments in square brackets. It may not be 100% accurate, but it's a lot better than "ZOMG!!! MUSLIM BAN - call James O'Brien!!!". I think the first 4 sections seem to cover most of the topic we've discussed here: Section 1: Section 2: Section 3: Section 4: (b) We will report on how well this is going within 2 months, then another a month after, and then another 3 months after that.
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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Jan 17 6.57pm | |
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Trump is a dictator he uses executive orders to bypass the American democratic institutions. We should not believe anything he either says or does. Some people on here would have been waving Hitler through saying how necessary he is and all the rest of it. Shame on you.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 30 Jan 17 7.06pm | |
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Clinton: One of these areas is the problem of illegal immigration.
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davenotamonkey 30 Jan 17 7.08pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Trump is a dictator he uses executive orders to bypass the American democratic institutions. We should not believe anything he either says or does. Some people on here would have been waving Hitler through saying how necessary he is and all the rest of it. Shame on you. LOL
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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jan 17 7.39pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Trump is a dictator he uses executive orders to bypass the American democratic institutions. We should not believe anything he either says or does. Some people on here would have been waving Hitler through saying how necessary he is and all the rest of it. Shame on you. Where would a debate be if someone didn't mention Hitler.
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Tony Meola 30 Jan 17 9.10pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well no, its not, he was specific about the ban being against Muslims, not specific nations. Aside from the fact that the nations selected have no reasonable rational as to why they're ahead of other nations, it would have been unconstitutional for him to make a ban on religious grounds (US Freedom of Religion). The Constitution applies to US citizens. It does not protect non-citizens who want to come here. If they are here and charged with a crime, it applies. Having said that, a ban on religion is silly because one could lie about it.
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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 31 Jan 17 3.15am | |
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I'd be pissed of if I were a yank living in in America. The Mexican food, booze and drugs are great. And that twunt wants to cut it all off by firstly building a wall, and secondly taxing Mexican goods to the hilt. What a plonker, he obviously doesn't know what he is missing.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Jan 17 9.38am | |
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It's not a ban on all Muslims. Just like Hitler? Yes of course. Hysterical. The ban doesn't apply to people from these banned countries with dual citizenship so that would allow those more likely to be involved in terrorism in. This would also include the recent 1 million German Muslim migrants where there's also been a few incidents. So they're not welcome into the US for 3 months but they are in Germany. Interesting on added motives to this with regards to gun laws. Makes sense. Don't 57% of Americans agree with the ban?
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Hoof Hearted 31 Jan 17 10.07am | |
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I'm amused by the BBC's usual impartial reporting.... Nearly every News bulletin on TV and Radio triumphs "....more than 1.5 Million people have now signed the petition blah blah" By my reckoning that makes roughly 63.5 Million people that haven't signed it? Come on BBC... keep schtum till at least 30 Million people have signed the petition... the overwhelming majority of us couldn't give a fcuk about Trump's Visa requirements for the USA. Also the BBC can't wait to show Protesters all over the major Cities shouting "What do we want? Trump OUT! When we do we want it? NOW!".... or other equally boring s***! Here in Bristol there is virtually a demonstration on College Green outside the Council Offices every day FFS. It's the same politically motivated rent-a-mob from Bristol West every time... they all arrive on their bikes, with ginger dreadlocks, facial piercings and goatee beards... and that's just the women! All they achieve is a complete snarl up of traffic preventing decent people trying to get home from work in a decent time to have their tea and see their kids. Yet, BBC Points West are there night after night highlighting their latest cause by interviewing some right on Green lefty LBGT supporting workshy activist.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 Jan 17 10.20am | |
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Some assume that everyone wants open door migration forever and that it's only good for all concerned. Migrants, citizens of home country and destination country yet probably have very little experience of it first hand. Edited by Rudi Hedman (31 Jan 2017 11.40am)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Jan 17 11.00am | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I'm amused by the BBC's usual impartial reporting.... Nearly every News bulletin on TV and Radio triumphs "....more than 1.5 Million people have now signed the petition blah blah" By my reckoning that makes roughly 63.5 Million people that haven't signed it? Come on BBC... keep schtum till at least 30 Million people have signed the petition... the overwhelming majority of us couldn't give a fcuk about Trump's Visa requirements for the USA. Also the BBC can't wait to show Protesters all over the major Cities shouting "What do we want? Trump OUT! When we do we want it? NOW!".... or other equally boring s***! Here in Bristol there is virtually a demonstration on College Green outside the Council Offices every day FFS. It's the same politically motivated rent-a-mob from Bristol West every time... they all arrive on their bikes, with ginger dreadlocks, facial piercings and goatee beards... and that's just the women! All they achieve is a complete snarl up of traffic preventing decent people trying to get home from work in a decent time to have their tea and see their kids. Yet, BBC Points West are there night after night highlighting their latest cause by interviewing some right on Green lefty LBGT supporting workshy activist.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 31 Jan 17 12.09pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
It's painfully evident from your posts, that you haven't actually read the Executive Order No I haven't. I did notice that however it contains no details related to terrorists from Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the UAE who were instrumental in killing 3000 or so US citizens. I also noticed that its specifically levied against nations which have a humanitarian crisis. Its almost as if its about not contributing to resolution of that problem, of which the US is a major contributor.
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