I'm not seeing the Democrats as an option to sort out the corruption in the system. My reaction to this is that the Democratic nominees are the careerist politicians who have served their time in the party and are now getting their pop at the top job. I personally feel that bigger people in the party, such as Hilary Clinton and Obama are still pulling the strings. They are now the politicians' politicians and raise the money both you and Stirling mention.
I would also have to say that Trump is new to politics, as far as I know (I don't know how long he has been bothered about it). He seemed to come from the angle of running the country more like the way a business is run. I can see his point to a large extent, particularly with the wise Bill Clinton having stated, 'it's the economy, stupid'. So not even Trump's idea.
But coming back to this virtuous people vs corrupt people, the likelihood is that the leadership most coveting the lobbying and back room politics is the Democratic one. I guess Trump is a bit of a fly in the ointment for a lot of the US establishment, and by default, a lot of the Western world and a good bit of other places too. I presume that may explain a lot of media and, again by default, public moaning and wailing about Trump.
Now, to temper this, I've never believed 'drain the swamp' and any of that either. My best guess is that they're all in it for themselves in the main. The land of opportunity.
I'm kind of hoping personally that Trump doesn't win but it's not for any decent or virtuous reason. It's because I'm so fed up of hearing about him. I don't remember this much of a furore about any President. Even when Bush invaded Iraq second time (the dimwit Bush puppet) he got better coverage than Trump does. And that's what makes me wonder. Do you wonder about this, I wonder?

Red and Blue Army!

The Democrats on their own cannot sort things out. It will require good people from all sides led by a leader, who could come from anywhere, who commands respect and can heal the divisions. And there are good people on all sides. Not just too many in the GOP right now.

Why Trump entered politics is something that no doubt has had people wondering about for a long time. I don't know but I am quite sure it isn't because he wanted to serve this country with humility and honour so as to make the people safer and happier. Much more likely to be down to personal vanity or the need to hide his corruption and ultimately be pardoned for it.

Trump's not really a fly in the ointment. He is more of a cuckoo in the nest, throwing out all the homebred innocents whilst conning those who feed him.

We hear a lot about Trump for two reasons. Firstly because he wants to be talked about and makes sure he is via twitter and controversy. Secondly because by doing things quite as badly as he does he automatically draws attention to himself.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Regardless of who wins you are talking pipe dreams.

I think you are guilty of underestimating just how strongly people disagree with your political ideas....it's just as strong if not stronger than how much you oppose Trump.

Whoever wins the following events will show you just how badly you have underestimated those divisions.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Fair enough.

I'd just have to disagree. I see no reason to be optimistic in either. And I see this repeated in party lines as the biggest positive that either can seem to muster up is that we are not the other. Hence their pathetic debate last night which quickly descended into who's cleverer than who, debate number two will be my dad's bigger than yours.

Oh, I realise how strongly those who hold opposing views believe in them. What you are guilty of is overestimating how many do think like that.

That there are many more of them pro-rata in the USA than here in the UK is certainly true but they are still a minority, albeit a significant one. Here they are noisy but relatively small in number.

The politics they believe in attract others to specific causes, like Brexit, but they are only a temporary shift of allegiance. As Johnson will discover when he finds out that the red wall just had some holes blown in it which will be blocked up again soon enough.

In the USA the divisions are real and very deep. They are being driven by ignorance and fed by misinformation spread via social media. I see it every day in my exchanges with my US friends who constantly repeat conspiracy theories which have been fact-checked and totally debunked. How we overcome this is truly worrying because many millions of otherwise perfectly decent people are living in a universe parallel to reality. If I shared with you some of the things they believe in I suspect even you would find them incredible. They regard Alex Jones as a hero and the only source of truth.

I would like to think that an incoming Democratic administration will reach across the divide and not seek to widen it, as Trump has done. Offering understanding, reassurance and dialogue with firm handling of any who decide to attempt direct action. There is no need to rush to change anything. Concentrating together on the immediate priority of dealing with the epidemic is more than enough.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Do I disagree about what? That you are more likely to be right? Of course you are right, when have you ever been wrong? Certainly never on this board, well in your own mind anyway.
The fact is you would support anyone opposing Trump whoever they are