This from someone who just posted: "So has anyone else come to the conclusion that the murderer was an unhinged nutter who just happens to be Muslim".

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Nope. An unhinged nutter who just happened to adopt Islam, long after proving himself unhinged.

Good job America is the freeist country in the world by the way. It was very wicked of Hillary to point out the USA has 5% of the world's population but 25% of the world's prison population. It's important to lock up more people than anywhere else in the world if you want to be the freeist country.

Isn't it time you went to bed?

Pro USA & Israel

I haven't called you an apologist. If I believed that I would say it. The post is straight forward and isn't a snide remark.

If I were to give an opinion I'd say your views are connected to a world where the realities of the difficulties of the expansion of Islam are denied, ignored or minimised.

But I believe your intentions to be positive....just misplaced.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Mar 2017 9.52am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Bit like the Brevik guy. There have been a few of these in the UK. Starting with the Exeter attempted suicide bombing. They're people who aren't really terrorists in the classic sense that they're politically involved in an organised conflict with the state, but people acting independently 'inspired' by a cause.

In that way they're not dissimilar to School / Work Place shooters, or people who get fixated on a vampire movie and stab their girlfriend to death.

They tend at best to be on the periphery of a cause, but fail to really get 'involved' because they're mentally ill (which really affects peoples social skills), and often come off as 'too extreme' because they're fixated on the acts, rather than the cause.

When you have someone with a history of violence, and violent crime, who's been into the NF, Football Violence and Islamist Terrorism, what you would expect to see is someone who is fixated and fascinated with violence (probably with bloodshed).

Without direct access to a cause, they tend to focus on events elsewhere, and mimic them in the name of their cause (and for IS its convenient politically for them to 'accept these people' after the fact). In fact they're probably dependent on these kinds of loners.

The really worrying thing, is that people like this are largely impossible to detect because they don't tend to be big movers in radical circles or associate with other known suspects (which also means they don't come into contact with intelligence assets either). Their planning tends to be erratic and poor and their weapons simple. Makes them very difficult to pick out as significant threats - as they don't tend to move and act in a manner consistent with other 'more sane' extremists (who likely view them as a liability).

Its perfect possible to be Mentally ill, and a Muslim Fundamentalist and a Terrorist.

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I think this suggestion misses out the reality that these people aren't exactly getting the opportunity to safely join these groups.

They obviously have an interest but outside of watching online videos the action by the state makes interaction with these groups a very risky activity.

I find this....'oh they are mentally ill' line of reasoning to be quite amusing. Is this line taken with say Nazi sympathizers or activists? No, that lot get the two barrels....but be connected with a minority religion and then some people start talking about mental illness.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Mar 2017 10.51am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)